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hello and welcome to paranormal

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mysteries here on access Northwest

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community radio here in the blue

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Liverpool today my guest is Sean Cahill

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Sean was in the US Navy for twenty years

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and was the top security officer in the

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USS Princeton which was a missile

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cruiser in the u.s. Nimitz Carrier

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Strike Group he was responsible for law

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and order on the ship and was also

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running counterterrorism patrols at sea

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in November 2004 the Nimitz had

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something going on on their radar and

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they dispatched 8f 80s to check out

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these signatures during the evening Sean

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was asked to go out onto the bridge to

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see if he could see anything and what he

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saw has haunted him for 15 years he is

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with me today to tell us about what he

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saw and the way that it's affected him

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and changed his life so Sean hello

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welcome to the show it's a pleasure

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thank you for coming on it is pleasure

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indeed so let's start at the beginning

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or before the beginning in fact if you

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tell us a little bit about your life

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back then before you saw what you saw

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you know you you said you you had a

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career in the Navy so what was life like

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on ship and back then just leading up to

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the events it was quite an exciting time

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for myself and my family we previously

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in September or in the previous summer

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actually I had been promoted to the rank

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of chief petty officer in the Navy and

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it's quite a quite a momentous occasion

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in the career of a enlisted sailor

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if they rise to the rank of chief petty

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officer and there's at the time there

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was about a three month initiation

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period my wife and I had been married

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for about just about four years and we

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were we had we were expecting excuse me

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actually we had just been graced with

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the birth of our first child a daughter

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and it was just a really great time for

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us it was very exciting we were I was at

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the pen it felt like I was at the

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pinnacle of my career I had my life

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spread out before me my family beginning

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and

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getting set on a deployment where I was

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you know finally getting to that point

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in my life where I was going to be able

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to help people and make an impact in a

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way that felt that felt meaningful to me

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you know I felt like I'd finally fallen

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into adulthood in a way yeah so it was a

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wonderful time it was a very busy time

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learning an incredible amount of new

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data leadership skills and I was

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operating onboard the USS Princeton

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alone as the only law enforcement person

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I reported directly to the commanding

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officer via the executive officer yeah

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responsibility there was a lot of my

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shoulders at the time looking back there

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was there was great deal of stress yeah

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yeah so what happened that day then if

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you can tell us about how you know we

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all kind of came about we were off the

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coast of California and and Mexico the

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Baja region in our normal operating area

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where we would do

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simply put do war games we call them

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work ups but when we finish a deployment

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cycle there's a very short period before

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the crew of a warship or a military unit

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will turn around and begin the training

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cycle to prepare for their next

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deployment we call that op op tempo or

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operational tempo it's a good way of

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dehumanizing the idea that sorry you

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just got back from the war take a set

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take a sip and head back that's what

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it's I yeah you have to put a laugh on

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it sometimes I guess but so we were

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turning around and we were in that cycle

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and we were out in the vicinity of the

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Channel Islands in San Clemente and

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Guadeloupe and we were in company with

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the USS Nimitz I was on the bridge crew

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in the evening we were in a what we

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would call a box we were basically had a

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box on our on our display hey we were

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south I believe sand

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Nicholas Island but I could be mistaken

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and we were just kind of lazily tooling

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around looking for a submarine who I

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believe is the USS Louisville and the

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bridge crew that night didn't have a

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very pivotal role in the war game we

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were playing

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we just need needed to make sure that we

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were alert that the ship stayed in safe

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waters within the the box that had been

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assigned so otherwise it was we were all

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very alert that we all were chatting it

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up as we usually did when I got a call

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from Kevin day the senior chief rated

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our operator that was located down in

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the combat Information Center and Kevin

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had been tracking something he had had

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me moved the ship go out and look he

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would send me out to the bridge wings

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and the way that we were doing this was

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just by a regular telephone call from

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the combat Information Center up to the

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on up to the bridge where I was so we

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were handling it off the record so to

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speak it wasn't being done over the ship

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shipboard communication system that

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would be utilized for official movements

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of the ship in regards to the the plan

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of attack etcetera so we had that level

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of control between the two of us so we

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were trying to find out what Kevin had

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on the radar because the the contacts

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were anomalous I wasn't really sure what

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he was looking for I kept asking him but

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I he kept brushing it off and I'm saying

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he'd tell me later down in the Chiefs

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mess and so on on the particular night

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he was very vehement about me going out

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and trying to find contacts in in the

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air and so I was going back and forth

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from the port side to the starboard side

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and speaking to the lookouts and look

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and utilizing my own set of binoculars

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when off the port bow at about 45

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there was this cluster or constellation

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of stars and it's it's I always describe

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this exactly the same way if you've

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heard my interviews

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right now I'm standing in my in my home

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and I'm holding my right hand up in that

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in the air and my hand is in a claw and

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each of those little points where my

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fingers are if I twist my hand

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counterclockwise to the left and bring

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them all into a point that's the the

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best way I can describe it and if you've

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seen episode three of the history show

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unidentified inside America's UFO

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investigation they they animated it

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absolutely perfectly and that was done

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off of just my description and some some

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back-of-the-envelope drawings but it

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there was when these stars when they

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when they changed when they they when

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they I don't want to say that they use

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any of the normal words people would use

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in science fiction look like we worked

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or translated or anything like that

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because there was no effect like that

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they really just got smaller and then

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blinked out you know just were there and

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they were not as if someone turned off a

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life and it defied anything I'd ever

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seen it was a nearly cloudless night I

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mean there were wispy clouds in a very

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small portions of the sky very crisp and

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clear and we were not moving around that

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much it's hard to explain to people that

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haven't spent time on the water that

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haven't spent time around military

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aircraft and civilian aircraft but you

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get to know your environment in a way

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that wants something uncanny or

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something that does not belong happens

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it's there's no doubt in your mind that

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so then what did you do with that

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information you know what you've seen

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well because because of my role at the

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time up on the bridge is basically in

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general for the wording of the

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non-combatant and I'm using that as a

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loose term but basically I left it to

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Kevin I described to him what I saw and

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the next morning I wanted answers from

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him and I came down I was in the Chiefs

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master I came out to get breakfast and

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that was delayed when they when Kevin

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and his supervisor or his compatriot

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basically told me go in the back and

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check your email if you want to know

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what's going on in the back of the

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Chiefs mess we had a what we call the

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super net a secure secret station where

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you can transfer it's just it's really

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just the internet that has more more

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safeguards on it for transferring secret

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information and so I logged on and check

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the email that he was talking about and

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it had discussions going on between the

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our operations officer and the nimitz

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operations officer in regards to

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possible conventional explanations for

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these numerous radar hits and they had

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and this is unfortunately hearsay now

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because of course I don't have the email

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but I recall reading about the than

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discussing them entering the water at

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one point something creating a

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roostertail type effect in the water and

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other disturbances but at the end of it

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there was a video and the video was one

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of the most astonishing things I'd ever

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seen beside what I had seen in the sky

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the other night and linking the two was

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it was an incredible exercise in uh in

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opening up my mind so to speak but it

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was the Tic Tac it was the exact same

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video that later was released by New

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York Times Washington Post etc in

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conjunction with Louisa was on those

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resignation from

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what we became or what we came to know

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as a tip so it now a lot of people have

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asked me about higher quality videos and

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things like that and what I what I've

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come to understand is that what I and

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from my own deduction is what I saw in

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the Princeton that day was a condensed

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version where they had clipped out the

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salient mode changes of the craft or of

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the or of the FLIR pod and basically

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tried to showcase what this craft did in

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the smallest way possible because at the

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time this was 2004 in the bandwidth that

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we had - especially when out at sea was

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much more limited than it was today

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people would be very surprised but there

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there was no one there was there was no

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one to report it - I know that sounds

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silly it was reported the captain was

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involved he knew the chain of command of

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the limits knew what was being tracked

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and I think in a lot of ways from my

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standpoint where the breakdown was was

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just that it wasn't reported at my level

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I I felt that being the senior law

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enforcement person and anti-terrorism

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officer on board that if there were

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unauthorized craft in the vicinity of

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our battle group that that would be

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something that I would be made known of

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now granted I have to admit that once

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we're past once we leave what's called

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the breakwater

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once we leave the the pier and the

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harbor and then once the ship leaves the

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safety of the intercoastal area my job

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as the anti-terrorism officer that that

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job actually doesn't exist anymore once

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we go past their anti-terrorism doesn't

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technically exist now it's a different

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warfare area that we're operating in so

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there are technical reasons for having

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me not know besides the fact of my

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clearance or just lack of need

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- no but but it was taken very

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nonchalantly we openly talked about all

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the things that you would expect folks

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to talk about down in the Chiefs mess

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whether it was DARPA or aliens or you

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know whatever

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the usual chatter not a lot of stigma I

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mean everybody took it lightly because

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no one was willing no one was willing to

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just come out and state that these

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things were real or they'd had a

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sighting

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I don't recall anything like that at the

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time though people were wondering if it

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was some kind of advanced technology of

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our own that you were kind of being put

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in only you know kind of an unofficial

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test situation well I I have to admit

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that that was my deduction at the time

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and I held on to that until I met Lou

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Elizondo basically it we had been the

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United States for lack of a better word

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military and government had been testing

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a scramjet to the north during that same

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period one of the it was a smaller

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mock-up I believe of the concept they

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were taking it out underneath a wing the

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wing of the beef a b-52 I think from one

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of our desert spots out here

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Nellis or it could have been White Sands

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who knows I'm probably getting mer came

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out of right now but they were they were

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testing that north of us and I was

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curious at the time I knew that what we

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were looking at in no way matched the

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scramjet test but I had personally right

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before I think I pressed that I don't

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believe any more button

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I wondered if whatever this thing was it

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was there to observe that test at first

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I wondered you know just in a in a

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fantastical way if this whatever this

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technology was was here to observe that

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test but the way that my chain of

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command reacted at our intelligence

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briefing that night that there was no

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briefing that we didn't

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spent no time talking about it there was

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just a little cartoon alien that shot

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across this the PowerPoint screen and

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the captain mentioned that we had a lot

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of fun and that it was over and we were

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going to move on and that was it

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that's quite an unusual statement isn't

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it it's over we've had a lot of fun I

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mean that would actually probably make

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me think that he did know what it was

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and that it was some kind of you know

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impromptu test he was very much one of

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those captains who he had that elder

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statesman aura about him he was very

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well-spoken a very kind and very

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intelligent and he was one of those

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captains that people immediately when he

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said something he said it with a

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confidence that gave you the confidence

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to stand behind it as well so that was

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exactly how I felt I felt that that ah

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that read Smith knew something about

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this and I didn't have anything to worry

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about I mean I really did feel that way

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and it may be very naive but I think it

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went with the territory at the time four

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years into the global war on terror with

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as I said a very high op tempo we were

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in a state of extreme I don't want to

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use the word blonde page I guess

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patriotism may be the right word but the

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level of confidence in each other and in

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in our military at the time amongst the

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ranks was at an all-time high

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we were we were very much we were very

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much in the right place at the right

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time it is how it felt for a lot of us I

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think but I don't want to do too much on

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that so we you were aware at that time

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you know around about the time at the

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debrief that well it wasn't really a

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debriefing wasn't because you weren't

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even told not to talk about it right but

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and we were where that the pilots of the

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f-18s would see these objects

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you know go into the water that were

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dropping at 2030 28,000 feet was in no

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time at all and then sonar operators

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clocked this object it's 17 not

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something said do we you aware of any of

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that at that time some of it from the

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email and some of it was discussed as I

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said in the chief and maybe in in some

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discussions on the Night Watch on the

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bridge etc I'm sure in other portions of

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the ship where I wasn't but it was never

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discussed in any official way whatsoever

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I didn't become aware of the excuse me

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of the being tracked on sonar until much

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later in fact I didn't become aware of

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that until I spoke to one of the sonar

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operators off the record recently while

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grocery shopping but there was one other

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there's one other piece to it that has

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because that's on the record now but

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it's it's hearsay and I met with a

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colleague of mine at the police station

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where I worked prior to being on the

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Princeton where I just transferred from

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I'd went over him to acquire some some

390
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supplies and his spouse was on the

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Nimitz and he claims to me we we gently

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made our way into the conversation made

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sure we both knew what we were talking

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about and then he disclosed to me that

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his spouse had said that the security

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personnel on board the on board Nimitz

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had been required to guard the pilots

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from leaving their stateroom or from

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anyone else from entering and tell some

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plain-clothes personnel were flown on

401
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board the ship that same night and met

402
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with the pilots so now that that person

403
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I mean I'm obviously not gonna out

404
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anybody else or say their name or yeah

405
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anything like that so if he ever sees it

406
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you know decides that he wants to come

407
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forward I'm pretty easy to get a hold of

408
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them but but that's his story to tell

409
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but since he told it to me you know I I

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will say upfront it's

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say you know I can't prove it daddy yeah

412
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I mean 99% of the UFO community running

413
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on the PSA anyway so can we talk a

414
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little bit about what it was that Kevin

415
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day had seen because you know I kind of

416
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want to paint a full picture know what

417
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was actually happening around that you

418
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know in those few days so orbit Kevin's

419
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on the Nimitz his name he's a yeah okay

420
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sorry yeah that's okay so he's on the

421
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radar though he's the radar guy and he's

422
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watching these signatures various

423
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formations I think he's what he was

424
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explaining did he say there's a bit

425
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where somebody's seen 10 to 12 objects

426
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and then and then there was a well over

427
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a hundred so I think that when we are I

428
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think so people are conflating some

429
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things and I think that's what happens

430
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when we when we utilize sound bites you

431
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know and information from maybe

432
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commercials or things that are cooked

433
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together a little bit so I'm not aware

434
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of their being hundreds of contacts at

435
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once I'm aware of there being hundreds

436
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of separate contact events okay

437
00:21:10,190 --> 00:21:08,610
I am aware of there being I want to use

438
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the word multiple now if someone says

439
00:21:15,460 --> 00:21:11,970
how many I don't know but I wouldn't say

440
00:21:19,100 --> 00:21:15,470
hundred there were multiple I recall

441
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multiple radar contacts that were coming

442
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in at a very high altitude at the I want

443
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to say that at the ceiling of the of the

444
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system which I don't I don't have the

445
00:21:31,670 --> 00:21:29,220
numbers to quote offhand I don't want it

446
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I don't want to guess but quite high

447
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near near low-earth orbits and that is

448
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very unusual in itself there should be

449
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nothing appearing at that spot and then

450
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those those same contacts

451
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we're seeming to to drop from

452
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at incredibly high altitude to roughly

453
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10 to 20 feet above the water and that

454
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was near instantaneous in my notes it

455
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says from 28,000 feet and it dropped

456
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they dropped at 25,000 miles an hour

457
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mm-hmm yeah yeah and I know that I know

458
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that 24 I know that the radar sees

459
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higher than 24,000 feet and I believed

460
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that there were that there were there

461
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were reports of them being higher but so

462
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he also tracked them in a fleet of

463
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numeri looked like five six and it's

464
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possibly less than 15 but casually

465
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making their way south almost in what he

466
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would describe as a migratory pattern

467
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there are aspects of it that do very

468
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much mimic flocks of birds or migratory

469
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patterns and birds but it's apparent

470
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from the gun camera footage and the

471
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testimony of Dave flavor

472
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commander flavor etc that these were not

473
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Birds so you have a radar system on

474
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board that actually identifies the

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different crafts foreign technology or

476
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ours it will identify the kind of plane

477
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no yeah it knows what he's looking at

478
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basically loot loosely explained it's a

479
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it's a identify Friend or Foe system but

480
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ultimately that's like many other things

481
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we deal with in our society it's garbage

482
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in garbage out if you're not if you

483
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don't have it on board your aircraft and

484
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you're not squawking you're your

485
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frequency then we don't know who you are

486
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so basically it says I think it's a

487
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simple way to put it as our friendly

488
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forces squawk one frequency if you're

489
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not your fo are unknown but there are

490
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also international conventions on

491
00:24:00,830 --> 00:23:58,070
identifying yourself and these these

492
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these craft followed no convention

493
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whatsoever there was from what I've

494
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what I understand there was no well

495
00:24:10,370 --> 00:24:08,640
we've never had a return on any data

496
00:24:13,880 --> 00:24:10,380
that was gleaned from them because any

497
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data that was that what went down no

498
00:24:19,430 --> 00:24:17,910
longer exists even if it's funny to me

499
00:24:22,280 --> 00:24:19,440
still that we have people that will

500
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state that that the tapes were never

501
00:24:29,210 --> 00:24:25,470
taken but yet won't address where the

502
00:24:32,260 --> 00:24:29,220
tapes are now so it's unfortunate

503
00:24:37,160 --> 00:24:32,270
cognitive dissonance affects all of us

504
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yeah almost instantaneous all that

505
00:24:42,830 --> 00:24:39,170
information all that data went missing

506
00:24:48,850 --> 00:24:42,840
it was within a span of at least 48

507
00:24:51,320 --> 00:24:48,860
hours for sure yeah and that's unusual

508
00:24:53,930 --> 00:24:51,330
okay I remember Kevin saying that he

509
00:24:57,380 --> 00:24:53,940
wanted to intersect with these objects

510
00:25:05,510 --> 00:24:57,390
but that's when they totally dropped to

511
00:25:07,580 --> 00:25:05,520
just just above the water but then he'd

512
00:25:08,990 --> 00:25:07,590
been watched these four days is that

513
00:25:11,630 --> 00:25:09,000
right that they've been around four days

514
00:25:13,850 --> 00:25:11,640
following the he'd been tracking them

515
00:25:15,950 --> 00:25:13,860
for days but they were because I think

516
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because of the unusual way that they

517
00:25:21,020 --> 00:25:18,810
were performing it I think that at first

518
00:25:25,580 --> 00:25:21,030
it was just assumed they were a glitch I

519
00:25:28,220 --> 00:25:25,590
think or because the the chain of emails

520
00:25:32,300 --> 00:25:28,230
that came before the I wish that I kept

521
00:25:34,280 --> 00:25:32,310
them that somehow or someone had but the

522
00:25:36,440 --> 00:25:34,290
the chain of emails that led up to the

523
00:25:38,300 --> 00:25:36,450
little video being at the bottom

524
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discussed a lot of those things they

525
00:25:42,770 --> 00:25:40,500
discussed in different temperature

526
00:25:45,590 --> 00:25:42,780
inversions and high pressure low

527
00:25:47,630 --> 00:25:45,600
pressure areas meeting up they discussed

528
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I want to say they even discussed ball

529
00:25:54,100 --> 00:25:50,790
lightning and birds a couple of times

530
00:25:57,170 --> 00:25:54,110
someone made a joking reference to ETS

531
00:25:59,960 --> 00:25:57,180
but it was a couple of straight-laced

532
00:26:02,540 --> 00:25:59,970
regular military folks who had to report

533
00:26:04,030 --> 00:26:02,550
back to their captains what's this crap

534
00:26:08,180 --> 00:26:04,040
on my radar

535
00:26:11,590 --> 00:26:08,190
so finally Kevin went to the captain of

536
00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:11,600
the Princeton and said sir I'd like to

537
00:26:15,800 --> 00:26:14,490
to utilize air assets from them at state

538
00:26:18,170 --> 00:26:15,810
and see if we can put eyes on these

539
00:26:20,540 --> 00:26:18,180
things and that's exactly what

540
00:26:22,430 --> 00:26:20,550
he did first they sent out commander

541
00:26:24,770 --> 00:26:22,440
David for first commander David flavour

542
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the wingman or excuse me pardon me the

543
00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:35,900
Air Wing and his wingman pilot went a

544
00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:38,490
Lewis or D out there and made contact

545
00:26:44,570 --> 00:26:41,970
with them now Dave one thing that's

546
00:26:46,310 --> 00:26:44,580
often left behind is that were left out

547
00:26:48,160 --> 00:26:46,320
of this and forgotten is that one of the

548
00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:48,170
things that was witnessed was that these

549
00:26:53,150 --> 00:26:50,970
these tic tacs that we'd become familiar

550
00:26:55,730 --> 00:26:53,160
with more familiar with now seem to have

551
00:26:58,390 --> 00:26:55,740
been possibly or at least the ones who

552
00:27:00,830 --> 00:26:58,400
have been possibly rallying around a

553
00:27:03,950 --> 00:27:00,840
something that was described as the size

554
00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:03,960
of a 747 that was in the water with the

555
00:27:10,430 --> 00:27:06,930
water roiling around now I'm totally

556
00:27:15,170 --> 00:27:10,440
happy now to make the make an intuitive

557
00:27:17,870 --> 00:27:15,180
leap after hours and hours of testimony

558
00:27:21,380 --> 00:27:17,880
taken down in Mexico from fishermen and

559
00:27:24,410 --> 00:27:21,390
pilots etc that whatever these things

560
00:27:27,980 --> 00:27:24,420
were hovering around is often seen with

561
00:27:32,510 --> 00:27:27,990
the phenomenon if you couple it with the

562
00:27:36,230 --> 00:27:32,520
testimony about unidentified submerged

563
00:27:37,970 --> 00:27:36,240
objects which was also attributed to

564
00:27:39,860 --> 00:27:37,980
these tic-tacs of them going in and out

565
00:27:42,980 --> 00:27:39,870
of the water down near Waterloo Bay

566
00:27:44,930 --> 00:27:42,990
Island which then facilitated us our

567
00:27:49,190 --> 00:27:44,940
mission down there to to investigate

568
00:27:54,290 --> 00:27:49,200
further in 2019 but they're seeing it's

569
00:27:56,810 --> 00:27:54,300
not just white tic-tacs shaped objects

570
00:27:59,810 --> 00:27:56,820
there seem to be other things coming in

571
00:28:03,470 --> 00:27:59,820
and out of the water and much much

572
00:28:09,260 --> 00:28:03,480
larger craft and a much larger variety

573
00:28:12,830 --> 00:28:09,270
of craft as well and this is all around

574
00:28:14,900 --> 00:28:12,840
is a Catalina Island and then got a Lupe

575
00:28:18,470 --> 00:28:14,910
there are some interesting connections

576
00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:18,480
running down south from the area

577
00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:23,250
offshore of Malibu and Oxnard and the

578
00:28:30,100 --> 00:28:25,770
Catalina Highlands down through San

579
00:28:32,750 --> 00:28:30,110
Nicolas the Channel Islands and into

580
00:28:37,730 --> 00:28:32,760
Mexican waters

581
00:28:41,990 --> 00:28:37,740
and the the P the people of Ensenada

582
00:28:43,930 --> 00:28:42,000
Mexico specifically the fishermen that

583
00:28:48,049 --> 00:28:43,940
we interviewed on Waterloo pay Island

584
00:28:50,830 --> 00:28:48,059
all of them the corroboration between

585
00:28:54,610 --> 00:28:50,840
all of their testimonies was startling

586
00:28:57,830 --> 00:28:54,620
if we had had I think I mean I'm not I'm

587
00:29:01,190 --> 00:28:57,840
not in charge of how the footage and

588
00:29:05,180 --> 00:29:01,200
interviews we had are used and you have

589
00:29:08,390 --> 00:29:05,190
understand that a it has there has to be

590
00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:08,400
a cogent story arc to be understood

591
00:29:15,289 --> 00:29:10,250
where you know you don't just throw data

592
00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:15,299
at a people but it's gonna be

593
00:29:19,310 --> 00:29:17,250
interesting as we try to parse this data

594
00:29:24,500 --> 00:29:19,320
out of the similarities between these

595
00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:24,510
events and the frequency was reported so

596
00:29:29,830 --> 00:29:26,690
it was Kevin day wasn't it you reported

597
00:29:32,659 --> 00:29:29,840
and told you

598
00:29:34,970 --> 00:29:32,669
whereabouts these this fleet of objects

599
00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:34,980
that he'd been tracking disappeared you

600
00:29:39,529 --> 00:29:36,090
know some of the things that I remember

601
00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:39,539
him saying was that the they were acting

602
00:29:43,039 --> 00:29:41,130
as if they wanted to be left alone and

603
00:29:45,110 --> 00:29:43,049
that we're actually on their way

604
00:29:48,860 --> 00:29:45,120
somewhere and they kind of went to this

605
00:29:51,890 --> 00:29:48,870
set of islands and then they just

606
00:29:56,899 --> 00:29:51,900
vanished is that right yeah yeah they

607
00:30:00,110 --> 00:29:56,909
well the we usually describe it as they

608
00:30:02,870 --> 00:30:00,120
went they went into the water and when

609
00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:02,880
Lou Elizondo went to meet with Kevin day

610
00:30:08,149 --> 00:30:04,650
at his home

611
00:30:09,740 --> 00:30:08,159
that was when Kevin actually dropped the

612
00:30:12,289 --> 00:30:09,750
bombshell that he knew the coordinates

613
00:30:17,029 --> 00:30:12,299
of where the objects went into the water

614
00:30:19,610 --> 00:30:17,039
yeah and gave back to Lou because he

615
00:30:23,149 --> 00:30:19,620
said at some point that it was raining

616
00:30:25,370 --> 00:30:23,159
UFOs yes yeah he was he he said at one

617
00:30:27,919 --> 00:30:25,380
point they were dropping down yeah it's

618
00:30:31,610 --> 00:30:27,929
it's it's an incredible story it really

619
00:30:35,090 --> 00:30:31,620
is that's and Kevin tells his kevin has

620
00:30:36,950 --> 00:30:35,100
the best recollection yeah yeah yeah but

621
00:30:38,779 --> 00:30:36,960
I just kind of wanted to tie it in so

622
00:30:40,280 --> 00:30:38,789
that people could get a kind of idea of

623
00:30:44,750 --> 00:30:40,290
the activity that was going on around

624
00:30:46,220 --> 00:30:44,760
the whole fleet at that time but

625
00:30:48,010 --> 00:30:46,230
I actually was under the impression that

626
00:31:03,040 --> 00:30:48,020
Kevin was on a completely different

627
00:31:07,370 --> 00:31:03,050
battleship altogether so so basically

628
00:31:08,870 --> 00:31:07,380
when Kevin gave these the longitude and

629
00:31:11,570 --> 00:31:08,880
latitude of where he'd seen this

630
00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:11,580
phenomena these objects kind of

631
00:31:17,750 --> 00:31:13,290
disappear off the radar

632
00:31:22,070 --> 00:31:17,760
you and blue went to that location

633
00:31:23,690 --> 00:31:22,080
didn't you yes Sugata lupe and seen you

634
00:31:25,310 --> 00:31:23,700
know obviously there was only so much

635
00:31:28,100 --> 00:31:25,320
that you could include in one episode

636
00:31:33,260 --> 00:31:28,110
with the interviews that he had with all

637
00:31:35,510 --> 00:31:33,270
the different fishermen and pilots so

638
00:31:37,700 --> 00:31:35,520
was there anything that can it didn't

639
00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:37,710
get included in the episode but you

640
00:31:44,030 --> 00:31:40,530
thought you know was maybe he was maybe

641
00:31:48,950 --> 00:31:44,040
worth a mention well we we had an a

642
00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:48,960
actually incredible event occur when we

643
00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:51,810
were anchored out off the south end of

644
00:31:58,400 --> 00:31:54,690
the island on our way out to the island

645
00:32:01,640 --> 00:31:58,410
that day I had asked Lou if he would sit

646
00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:01,650
down with the camera crew and our

647
00:32:06,290 --> 00:32:04,410
support crew and everyone else that was

648
00:32:08,750 --> 00:32:06,300
going to be on deck or interested in

649
00:32:10,690 --> 00:32:08,760
this project not the not the boat crew

650
00:32:13,550 --> 00:32:10,700
because they had to just attend to the

651
00:32:16,460 --> 00:32:13,560
safety of the boat and its operation but

652
00:32:19,520 --> 00:32:16,470
I asked him to sit down and explain the

653
00:32:22,220 --> 00:32:19,530
five observables that he discusses on on

654
00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:22,230
the show and unfortunately I'm not the

655
00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:23,970
expert in this so I haven't memorized

656
00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:26,490
them yet but I asked him to explain them

657
00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:28,650
to the crew and they're things like low

658
00:32:37,970 --> 00:32:36,330
observability trans medium travel trans

659
00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:37,980
media travel low observability

660
00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:42,090
hypersonic velocity and there were two

661
00:32:47,330 --> 00:32:44,490
others that escaped me right now but

662
00:32:50,990 --> 00:32:47,340
when he finished explaining those to

663
00:32:52,850 --> 00:32:51,000
everyone there there are local effects

664
00:32:54,830 --> 00:32:52,860
as part of one of the things that he

665
00:32:58,590 --> 00:32:54,840
describes that there are there seems to

666
00:33:01,020 --> 00:32:58,600
be issues with

667
00:33:04,529 --> 00:33:01,030
and memory that seems to be involved

668
00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:04,539
with these with some people and later on

669
00:33:13,799 --> 00:33:08,490
that evening our our lead camera

670
00:33:15,659 --> 00:33:13,809
operator was asleep down below the rest

671
00:33:19,710 --> 00:33:15,669
of everyone else was asleep except for

672
00:33:21,930 --> 00:33:19,720
myself and our our medic and security

673
00:33:24,630 --> 00:33:21,940
guy he and I were on the back of the

674
00:33:27,180 --> 00:33:24,640
boat and we were we were very relaxed it

675
00:33:30,840 --> 00:33:27,190
was near midnight maybe one o'clock in

676
00:33:34,830 --> 00:33:30,850
the morning we were having a very very

677
00:33:36,180 --> 00:33:34,840
low toned conversation the boat was

678
00:33:37,830 --> 00:33:36,190
rocking back and forth there were a lot

679
00:33:43,740 --> 00:33:37,840
of things going on that put us into a

680
00:33:46,620 --> 00:33:43,750
very relaxed state and out of nowhere

681
00:33:49,799 --> 00:33:46,630
the camera off camera man comes running

682
00:33:51,360 --> 00:33:49,809
out onto the deck and he's he's upset

683
00:33:54,299 --> 00:33:51,370
enough that he's running out there in

684
00:33:56,279 --> 00:33:54,309
his in his boxer shorts basically and

685
00:33:57,840 --> 00:33:56,289
which everyone on this crew was

686
00:33:59,220 --> 00:33:57,850
completely professional there were men

687
00:34:00,270 --> 00:33:59,230
and women working together and this just

688
00:34:01,950 --> 00:34:00,280
wasn't something that was going to

689
00:34:03,570 --> 00:34:01,960
happen you know it was another another

690
00:34:06,270 --> 00:34:03,580
thing that was this is unusual he must

691
00:34:08,430 --> 00:34:06,280
have been stirred up by something and he

692
00:34:11,790 --> 00:34:08,440
came running through the galley and out

693
00:34:12,359 --> 00:34:11,800
onto the deck and said what the f is

694
00:34:14,550 --> 00:34:12,369
going on

695
00:34:15,570 --> 00:34:14,560
what did you guys see something what why

696
00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:15,580
are you screaming and why are you

697
00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:18,810
yelling and we looked at him kind of

698
00:34:23,550 --> 00:34:21,850
annoyed and we're like nothing's going

699
00:34:29,940 --> 00:34:23,560
on beat it you know we were having a

700
00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:29,950
deep bro moment as we it was very

701
00:34:34,889 --> 00:34:32,290
surreal there were there were sea lions

702
00:34:37,590 --> 00:34:34,899
screaming from the shore and and and

703
00:34:39,930 --> 00:34:37,600
everything and out of so then about he

704
00:34:41,909 --> 00:34:39,940
goes back inside he said why he told us

705
00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:41,919
that he swears we were yelling that we

706
00:34:50,609 --> 00:34:46,450
saw something and about 30 minutes later

707
00:34:55,889 --> 00:34:50,619
the the best way to put it is my partner

708
00:34:59,220 --> 00:34:55,899
Josh and I both saw I basically I saw an

709
00:35:01,859 --> 00:34:59,230
electric cloud come shooting across the

710
00:35:03,900 --> 00:35:01,869
sky and he saw the same thing both of

711
00:35:06,630 --> 00:35:03,910
them were in roughly the same shape as

712
00:35:08,609 --> 00:35:06,640
as what you would call a tic-tac

713
00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:08,619
although I usually shy away from saying

714
00:35:13,190 --> 00:35:11,770
that because electric cloud is the only

715
00:35:15,870 --> 00:35:13,200
way to

716
00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:15,880
described an exact same thing I saw but

717
00:35:22,020 --> 00:35:19,690
we saw them he saw his at a 45-degree

718
00:35:24,270 --> 00:35:22,030
angle to me and I saw mine at a

719
00:35:27,390 --> 00:35:24,280
45-degree angle to him they came across

720
00:35:29,910 --> 00:35:27,400
the sky and seemed to cross oh he saw

721
00:35:32,220 --> 00:35:29,920
him go towards the horizon but I earned

722
00:35:35,970 --> 00:35:32,230
my head in the wrong way to catch them

723
00:35:37,980 --> 00:35:35,980
and it was at that moment that we pretty

724
00:35:42,750 --> 00:35:37,990
much reenacted everything that that the

725
00:35:44,609 --> 00:35:42,760
cameraman had said and then he came and

726
00:35:46,650 --> 00:35:44,619
he did come out on deck and so did the

727
00:35:52,580 --> 00:35:46,660
other camera and our producer we she

728
00:35:56,820 --> 00:35:52,590
woke up and and we had had a high ISO

729
00:35:58,859 --> 00:35:56,830
film camera or I guess movie camera I'm

730
00:36:01,890 --> 00:35:58,869
not I'm not good with the parlance but

731
00:36:05,910 --> 00:36:01,900
pointed over our heads at the time that

732
00:36:11,580 --> 00:36:05,920
we had set up that night and we had I

733
00:36:14,820 --> 00:36:11,590
had a FLIR for a FLIR module set up we

734
00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:14,830
were ready and we reacted and we got

735
00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:18,490
nothing we later on had some Josh and I

736
00:36:23,370 --> 00:36:21,490
ended up going back to the same spot and

737
00:36:29,070 --> 00:36:23,380
discussing it and doing basically like a

738
00:36:30,750 --> 00:36:29,080
little after-action report and it was

739
00:36:32,310 --> 00:36:30,760
really interesting because after that we

740
00:36:35,880 --> 00:36:32,320
really felt like there was something

741
00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:35,890
moving around up in the clouds and so we

742
00:36:42,330 --> 00:36:39,850
pulled out the FLIR module and it's just

743
00:36:46,890 --> 00:36:42,340
a it's just an attachment for for an

744
00:36:48,210 --> 00:36:46,900
iPhone but through previous testing that

745
00:36:50,040 --> 00:36:48,220
we had done it really seemed like you

746
00:36:51,540 --> 00:36:50,050
could you could pick things up in the

747
00:36:54,560 --> 00:36:51,550
clouds I'd done testing around my house

748
00:37:00,359 --> 00:36:54,570
and I live just very a Jason to a

749
00:37:02,220 --> 00:37:00,369
helicopter base so we saw things moving

750
00:37:03,750 --> 00:37:02,230
around and then the next day the file

751
00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:03,760
was gone we have neither of us have any

752
00:37:09,900 --> 00:37:05,770
explanation for it and that's that's

753
00:37:12,090 --> 00:37:09,910
lousy lousy investigation so that's why

754
00:37:13,470 --> 00:37:12,100
that's not out there and reported and

755
00:37:15,240 --> 00:37:13,480
everything because we got nothing from

756
00:37:16,890 --> 00:37:15,250
it but the two of us are absolutely sure

757
00:37:21,870 --> 00:37:16,900
of that we saw something pretty

758
00:37:24,859 --> 00:37:21,880
incredible down there and how many

759
00:37:30,259 --> 00:37:24,869
witnesses did you actually interview

760
00:37:32,809 --> 00:37:30,269
area off the top of my head I want to

761
00:37:35,150 --> 00:37:32,819
say we had about almost 60 hours of

762
00:37:37,430 --> 00:37:35,160
interviews Wow

763
00:37:44,799 --> 00:37:37,440
most of those done standing up on the

764
00:37:56,930 --> 00:37:51,559
12 or 13 individuals plus another

765
00:37:59,569 --> 00:37:56,940
gentleman who is involved with some

766
00:38:01,279 --> 00:37:59,579
tours to some other place places and

767
00:38:02,749 --> 00:38:01,289
some things in the desert we interviewed

768
00:38:07,160 --> 00:38:02,759
him later that didn't make it into the

769
00:38:09,319 --> 00:38:07,170
show I found it very interesting that

770
00:38:14,660 --> 00:38:09,329
south of the border the level of

771
00:38:16,430 --> 00:38:14,670
activity and the quality of sighting for

772
00:38:20,170 --> 00:38:16,440
lack of a better word is much much

773
00:38:22,069 --> 00:38:20,180
higher than it is in the United States

774
00:38:27,170 --> 00:38:22,079
there's a very different level of

775
00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:27,180
activity and these these men what were

776
00:38:34,989 --> 00:38:29,450
they described in that they were seeing

777
00:38:36,309 --> 00:38:34,999
um many of them were describing BA

778
00:38:38,749 --> 00:38:36,319
silver

779
00:38:40,489 --> 00:38:38,759
luminous balls coming out of water

780
00:38:44,269 --> 00:38:40,499
that's the best way to put it maybe six

781
00:38:47,779 --> 00:38:44,279
to nine feet wide that was in the

782
00:38:49,940 --> 00:38:47,789
vicinity of what a little bang these

783
00:38:54,729 --> 00:38:49,950
were described as having lights inside

784
00:39:01,069 --> 00:38:57,440
testimonies to me was by a fisherman who

785
00:39:02,779 --> 00:39:01,079
stated and he had we this was when you

786
00:39:05,420 --> 00:39:02,789
see us in the small whale boat near

787
00:39:08,120 --> 00:39:05,430
water loop a Island but the entire boat

788
00:39:11,809 --> 00:39:08,130
crew that we were with from the Coxon to

789
00:39:13,609 --> 00:39:11,819
the the engineman to the to the I guess

790
00:39:15,769 --> 00:39:13,619
the the boats in that was boasting that

791
00:39:18,109 --> 00:39:15,779
was running the boat they were all out

792
00:39:20,450 --> 00:39:18,119
together and these these guys get up

793
00:39:23,479 --> 00:39:20,460
every day and do the same thing you know

794
00:39:25,940 --> 00:39:23,489
get up at 3:00 a.m. check the traps and

795
00:39:27,259 --> 00:39:25,950
you know repeat they know exactly what

796
00:39:28,160 --> 00:39:27,269
they're looking at they see the same

797
00:39:31,599 --> 00:39:28,170
things every day

798
00:39:36,140 --> 00:39:31,609
and he's telling me that a that a large

799
00:39:38,600 --> 00:39:36,150
3-foot wide chrome ball is you know

800
00:39:43,540 --> 00:39:38,610
rises up out of the water

801
00:39:48,110 --> 00:39:43,550
and zooms to within feet of his face and

802
00:39:52,340 --> 00:39:48,120
then seemingly examines him for a moment

803
00:39:54,680 --> 00:39:52,350
before completely rushed just nearly

804
00:39:56,510 --> 00:39:54,690
disappearing but with almost like

805
00:39:58,370 --> 00:39:56,520
watching a golf ball get hit off of the

806
00:40:02,920 --> 00:39:58,380
tee box it's almost you can't see it

807
00:40:07,850 --> 00:40:02,930
yeah and that's just that's just one

808
00:40:10,160 --> 00:40:07,860
other fishermen have seen these luminous

809
00:40:14,270 --> 00:40:10,170
snake-like objects making their way

810
00:40:17,620 --> 00:40:14,280
through the water under submerged

811
00:40:20,090 --> 00:40:17,630
objects swirling just some very

812
00:40:24,130 --> 00:40:20,100
fantastic things that that are so

813
00:40:27,110 --> 00:40:24,140
reminiscent of movies that we've seen

814
00:40:31,310 --> 00:40:27,120
that I'm not and I'm not I'm not saying

815
00:40:34,430 --> 00:40:31,320
I I detected nothing disingenuous from

816
00:40:37,970 --> 00:40:34,440
nearly any person we interviewed there

817
00:40:40,430 --> 00:40:37,980
were only a couple of minor issues where

818
00:40:44,870 --> 00:40:40,440
I felt like an agenda was being pushed

819
00:40:48,770 --> 00:40:44,880
and or something was was was being was

820
00:40:53,360 --> 00:40:48,780
hyperbole most of the folks that we

821
00:40:55,160 --> 00:40:53,370
interviewed were visibly scared even in

822
00:40:57,950 --> 00:40:55,170
that environment to tell us what

823
00:40:59,270 --> 00:40:57,960
happened and we're telling us about

824
00:41:03,500 --> 00:40:59,280
something that they truly had

825
00:41:05,390 --> 00:41:03,510
experienced I'd I did interview an

826
00:41:08,330 --> 00:41:05,400
interrogation for 20 years movies has

827
00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:08,340
his own background in it so I think

828
00:41:14,360 --> 00:41:10,890
we're pretty good judges

829
00:41:20,420 --> 00:41:14,370
no one's flawless these were very honest

830
00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:20,430
people so you've got 12 to 13 people

831
00:41:24,740 --> 00:41:22,770
telling you that all different stories

832
00:41:28,750 --> 00:41:24,750
are where they all you know but some of

833
00:41:33,020 --> 00:41:28,760
them together did you get 13 differently

834
00:41:34,370 --> 00:41:33,030
well I think that we got we got very

835
00:41:36,440 --> 00:41:34,380
different accounts because I think

836
00:41:39,410 --> 00:41:36,450
people encountered different things at

837
00:41:41,720 --> 00:41:39,420
different times but it certainly seemed

838
00:41:43,880 --> 00:41:41,730
like a great deal of the a great deal of

839
00:41:46,190 --> 00:41:43,890
the fishermen we spoke to the

840
00:41:49,220 --> 00:41:46,200
corroboration was incredible the

841
00:41:52,220 --> 00:41:49,230
corroboration between what we knew about

842
00:41:55,130 --> 00:41:52,230
how the tick-tack moved and what

843
00:41:57,440 --> 00:41:55,140
one of the pilots had had told us was uh

844
00:41:59,030 --> 00:41:57,450
was astounding

845
00:42:01,790 --> 00:41:59,040
I think the footage of us actually

846
00:42:07,070 --> 00:42:01,800
watching some things that he had shown

847
00:42:08,540 --> 00:42:07,080
us which we think ended up being made I

848
00:42:10,070 --> 00:42:08,550
think that the the footage was

849
00:42:11,950 --> 00:42:10,080
questionable enough we didn't they

850
00:42:14,300 --> 00:42:11,960
probably didn't want to include it

851
00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:14,310
because unfortunately there were too

852
00:42:21,710 --> 00:42:16,290
many things in my opinion in the video

853
00:42:24,440 --> 00:42:21,720
that was provided that it would just be

854
00:42:28,730 --> 00:42:24,450
a debunking debunkers magnet because

855
00:42:31,340 --> 00:42:28,740
there there were there were lens flares

856
00:42:34,250 --> 00:42:31,350
in the video there were issues with

857
00:42:36,920 --> 00:42:34,260
reflection and refraction and things

858
00:42:38,480 --> 00:42:36,930
like that however there's a brief moment

859
00:42:41,810 --> 00:42:38,490
where there's something that in my

860
00:42:53,150 --> 00:42:41,820
opinion absolutely was probably a

861
00:42:57,640 --> 00:42:53,160
legitimate unknown but again people say

862
00:43:00,830 --> 00:42:57,650
oh let's go get our camera the thing is

863
00:43:02,180 --> 00:43:00,840
most of us we do not have that kind of

864
00:43:04,609 --> 00:43:02,190
equipment that's going to take a good

865
00:43:07,609 --> 00:43:04,619
shot of anything you know most of it's

866
00:43:09,140 --> 00:43:07,619
just stuff on our phones sometimes even

867
00:43:10,940 --> 00:43:09,150
if there is going like I'm not gonna

868
00:43:14,390 --> 00:43:10,950
move because if I move I'll miss it so

869
00:43:17,240 --> 00:43:14,400
I'm just gonna sit and watch it so you

870
00:43:19,700 --> 00:43:17,250
know a lot of video footage is genuine

871
00:43:22,130 --> 00:43:19,710
but because people don't really know how

872
00:43:26,060 --> 00:43:22,140
to film these things either there's you

873
00:43:28,070 --> 00:43:26,070
know steady hand they usually can assume

874
00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:28,080
in too much so the objects becomes

875
00:43:34,490 --> 00:43:31,770
obscured behind the squish of the the

876
00:43:37,849 --> 00:43:34,500
you know the whatever it is is it

877
00:43:41,300 --> 00:43:37,859
becomes just he started so much you can

878
00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:41,310
you can't see what it is at all so you

879
00:43:47,420 --> 00:43:44,010
know it is unfortunate but sometimes

880
00:43:49,700 --> 00:43:47,430
that's our best evidence well in it it's

881
00:43:53,960 --> 00:43:49,710
the it's many times the only evidence we

882
00:43:57,260 --> 00:43:53,970
have we have to I was I was thinking I'm

883
00:43:59,750 --> 00:43:57,270
a metaphor earlier today but it's a

884
00:44:05,240 --> 00:43:59,760
little risky one for me to use but we we

885
00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:05,250
often use the metaphor that or insanity

886
00:44:09,930 --> 00:44:06,010
is

887
00:44:11,490 --> 00:44:09,940
different results you know committing

888
00:44:13,920 --> 00:44:11,500
the same act and expecting with

889
00:44:15,810 --> 00:44:13,930
different results yeah and I think it

890
00:44:18,930 --> 00:44:15,820
would be easy for us to explain that

891
00:44:21,540 --> 00:44:18,940
science is getting repeatable results

892
00:44:23,960 --> 00:44:21,550
from the same act and so we've got these

893
00:44:26,760 --> 00:44:23,970
two things that seem to be opposite and

894
00:44:29,550 --> 00:44:26,770
this phenomenon seems to be non

895
00:44:32,820 --> 00:44:29,560
repeatable in this in the way that we're

896
00:44:35,850 --> 00:44:32,830
used to in science and it's strange

897
00:44:39,330 --> 00:44:35,860
because that lends to that metaphor and

898
00:44:40,620 --> 00:44:39,340
I know that from my investigations in

899
00:44:42,060 --> 00:44:40,630
front and from the information we've

900
00:44:43,530 --> 00:44:42,070
gleaned in the last couple of years if

901
00:44:45,330 --> 00:44:43,540
we're if you're putting the right

902
00:44:48,330 --> 00:44:45,340
information together in the right places

903
00:44:51,960 --> 00:44:48,340
this is obviously a real phenomenon that

904
00:44:55,380 --> 00:44:51,970
seems to have a cast of characters that

905
00:44:56,850 --> 00:44:55,390
is much bigger than just one thing that

906
00:44:58,950 --> 00:44:56,860
we can draw a circle around and

907
00:45:02,100 --> 00:44:58,960
everybody wants to draw that one circle

908
00:45:06,620 --> 00:45:02,110
around it and say it's it's it's this

909
00:45:09,060 --> 00:45:06,630
thing it's aliens it's government its

910
00:45:14,550 --> 00:45:09,070
hyperdimensional beings and things that

911
00:45:16,370 --> 00:45:14,560
most folks have no basis any work into

912
00:45:18,960 --> 00:45:16,380
their worldview in a real fashion I

913
00:45:25,860 --> 00:45:18,970
think it may be a little pinch of

914
00:45:27,660 --> 00:45:25,870
everything yeah I mean with these

915
00:45:31,520 --> 00:45:27,670
descriptions of these objects that

916
00:45:33,990 --> 00:45:31,530
people are seeing do not represent

917
00:45:37,020 --> 00:45:34,000
anything that we know that we have I

918
00:45:39,810 --> 00:45:37,030
mean the things that I've seen you know

919
00:45:42,230 --> 00:45:39,820
what the thing that I see the most I

920
00:45:45,750 --> 00:45:42,240
have seen the most is a silver sphere

921
00:45:49,380 --> 00:45:45,760
you know the one that I saw on the

922
00:45:52,650 --> 00:45:49,390
ground in Wales in 1997 was I don't know

923
00:45:55,290 --> 00:45:52,660
exactly how may be described as being

924
00:45:58,500 --> 00:45:55,300
between six and nine feet it's like a

925
00:46:02,460 --> 00:45:58,510
person could stand up in it mm-hmm you

926
00:46:05,880 --> 00:46:02,470
know so that's about as much as I could

927
00:46:08,490 --> 00:46:05,890
tell you when we go back in a couple of

928
00:46:10,140 --> 00:46:08,500
weeks I might be able to gauge a little

929
00:46:11,730 --> 00:46:10,150
better the height of it because I'm

930
00:46:15,100 --> 00:46:11,740
going to stand in the exact same spot

931
00:46:18,130 --> 00:46:15,110
that I was stood in when I saw it and

932
00:46:20,970 --> 00:46:18,140
because I know in my memory how high the

933
00:46:23,230 --> 00:46:20,980
fence it came so that just kind of needs

934
00:46:25,870 --> 00:46:23,240
marrying in my mind and then I'll be

935
00:46:28,240 --> 00:46:25,880
able to gauge more accurately the can

936
00:46:30,460 --> 00:46:28,250
the size that this severe was but then

937
00:46:34,900 --> 00:46:30,470
there was another incident and when I

938
00:46:36,790 --> 00:46:34,910
lived in these when I I just thought the

939
00:46:38,080 --> 00:46:36,800
urge to take photographs it's why I

940
00:46:41,580 --> 00:46:38,090
struggle with some of this as well

941
00:46:44,410 --> 00:46:41,590
because you know you get the feeling

942
00:46:45,610 --> 00:46:44,420
something you follow the feeling even

943
00:46:47,950 --> 00:46:45,620
though I had a little argument with

944
00:46:49,390 --> 00:46:47,960
myself I've kind of I'm busy I don't

945
00:46:51,550 --> 00:46:49,400
want to take photographs I want to

946
00:46:53,620 --> 00:46:51,560
finish what I'm doing my brain was like

947
00:46:55,870 --> 00:46:53,630
take photographs take photographs it so

948
00:46:58,110 --> 00:46:55,880
I had this huge picture window and I was

949
00:47:00,640 --> 00:46:58,120
far floors up I had a huge four-story

950
00:47:03,880 --> 00:47:00,650
Victorian Terrace house and I was at the

951
00:47:06,160 --> 00:47:03,890
end of the terrace so you know I had a

952
00:47:08,230 --> 00:47:06,170
really really good view so I just kind

953
00:47:10,450 --> 00:47:08,240
of started taking photographs and when I

954
00:47:13,150 --> 00:47:10,460
zoomed in there was a silver sphere and

955
00:47:15,640 --> 00:47:13,160
a little black object that kind of

956
00:47:18,480 --> 00:47:15,650
looked like it was changing shape around

957
00:47:21,130 --> 00:47:18,490
the sphere and interacting with it I

958
00:47:24,070 --> 00:47:21,140
sent you the clearest photo that I have

959
00:47:25,780 --> 00:47:24,080
of that because obviously everything

960
00:47:27,310 --> 00:47:25,790
that you're you're being told but from

961
00:47:31,840 --> 00:47:27,320
these fishermen is about these spheres

962
00:47:34,630 --> 00:47:31,850
well you know I'm I'm where my home city

963
00:47:37,390 --> 00:47:34,640
is it's very central in the country

964
00:47:40,770 --> 00:47:37,400
there's I'm not near the coast

965
00:47:44,590 --> 00:47:40,780
maybe maybe 90 miles from the nearest

966
00:47:47,500 --> 00:47:44,600
beach so you know this is inland this is

967
00:47:51,940 --> 00:47:47,510
completely inland in Wales

968
00:47:55,030 --> 00:47:51,950
it was inland again on a mountain so you

969
00:47:59,800 --> 00:47:55,040
know this phenomena is not just hanging

970
00:48:02,170 --> 00:47:59,810
around the oceans it's yeah it's moving

971
00:48:04,480 --> 00:48:02,180
inland and it's interacting with people

972
00:48:08,020 --> 00:48:04,490
but I'm not I'm not you know I don't

973
00:48:10,330 --> 00:48:08,030
really like the fact that my brain told

974
00:48:11,650 --> 00:48:10,340
me take some pictures and then there was

975
00:48:13,780 --> 00:48:11,660
something there because I don't really

976
00:48:15,790 --> 00:48:13,790
know what that means you know I don't

977
00:48:18,880 --> 00:48:15,800
and then you kind of getting into dodgy

978
00:48:21,940 --> 00:48:18,890
territory there like you know of how

979
00:48:24,250 --> 00:48:21,950
would I know what what possessed me to

980
00:48:26,350 --> 00:48:24,260
do that what made me think that you know

981
00:48:28,010 --> 00:48:26,360
all the rest of it that's the dodgy

982
00:48:31,040 --> 00:48:28,020
territory

983
00:48:33,580 --> 00:48:31,050
the fact of the matter is is that I took

984
00:48:37,280 --> 00:48:33,590
some photographs and there there were

985
00:48:40,130 --> 00:48:37,290
you know I tell you what I have a

986
00:48:44,270 --> 00:48:40,140
photograph myself and I haven't shared

987
00:48:49,300 --> 00:48:44,280
this story before but I think I should

988
00:48:53,150 --> 00:48:49,310
because it's too similar to yours as a

989
00:48:57,860 --> 00:48:53,160
I've tried to be careful thus far to

990
00:48:59,630 --> 00:48:57,870
curate the fact I mean I as a

991
00:49:02,740 --> 00:48:59,640
professional investigator

992
00:49:08,240 --> 00:49:02,750
it's hard to be an experiencer as well

993
00:49:10,850 --> 00:49:08,250
and to find the right way to share the

994
00:49:13,550 --> 00:49:10,860
ineffable personal experiences you may

995
00:49:15,940 --> 00:49:13,560
have and have them make a connection to

996
00:49:18,350 --> 00:49:15,950
what you found in your investigations

997
00:49:19,700 --> 00:49:18,360
but I think the best way to do this

998
00:49:21,710 --> 00:49:19,710
would be just tell the story and then

999
00:49:23,810 --> 00:49:21,720
I'll I'll share the photograph with with

1000
00:49:25,940 --> 00:49:23,820
you after our interview and if you'd

1001
00:49:30,290 --> 00:49:25,950
like to utilize it please do so but um

1002
00:49:35,200 --> 00:49:30,300
thank you it was the day after a

1003
00:49:40,520 --> 00:49:35,210
Christmas party that we had had the

1004
00:49:44,060 --> 00:49:40,530
honor being invited to forty TSA and I

1005
00:49:46,520 --> 00:49:44,070
had received a gift from our cameraman

1006
00:49:51,050 --> 00:49:46,530
that I had spoken of earlier a gift of a

1007
00:49:54,860 --> 00:49:51,060
camera because I was embarking on a new

1008
00:49:56,120 --> 00:49:54,870
career as an investigative filmmaker one

1009
00:50:00,830 --> 00:49:56,130
of the first things that I wanted to do

1010
00:50:05,260 --> 00:50:00,840
was to set a baseline for people I want

1011
00:50:08,360 --> 00:50:05,270
I live in an area very high aircraft

1012
00:50:12,140 --> 00:50:08,370
traffic the San Diego International

1013
00:50:14,450 --> 00:50:12,150
Airport changes its traffic pattern

1014
00:50:16,040 --> 00:50:14,460
based on wind and that runs the regular

1015
00:50:18,680 --> 00:50:16,050
commercial air right in front of my

1016
00:50:21,950 --> 00:50:18,690
house it's a perfect view there's

1017
00:50:23,630 --> 00:50:21,960
numerous air bases around me so I it's I

1018
00:50:25,970 --> 00:50:23,640
can take my pick as to what's in the

1019
00:50:30,410 --> 00:50:25,980
hair at any given time and so the next

1020
00:50:31,670 --> 00:50:30,420
day I sat down and just happened to

1021
00:50:33,500 --> 00:50:31,680
meditate because that's just what I do

1022
00:50:35,690 --> 00:50:33,510
when I you know if I before I begin

1023
00:50:38,330 --> 00:50:35,700
something I usually meditate to clear my

1024
00:50:41,150 --> 00:50:38,340
mind but then began photographing all

1025
00:50:43,400 --> 00:50:41,160
the aircraft in the area and so I had

1026
00:50:47,170 --> 00:50:43,410
maybe 50 or 60 photographs in the span

1027
00:50:51,980 --> 00:50:47,180
of an hour of different commercial air

1028
00:50:54,890 --> 00:50:51,990
military helicopters f-18s and even a a

1029
00:50:57,589 --> 00:50:54,900
group of acrobatic aircraft that had

1030
00:50:59,630 --> 00:50:57,599
flown down which are usually the retired

1031
00:51:01,370 --> 00:50:59,640
captain's and admirals of the local area

1032
00:51:03,140 --> 00:51:01,380
and they do it on the weekend I mean we

1033
00:51:05,289 --> 00:51:03,150
you know who the folks are in the air

1034
00:51:08,089 --> 00:51:05,299
down here and then out of nowhere

1035
00:51:12,710 --> 00:51:08,099
there's a silver sphere I suddenly am

1036
00:51:14,420 --> 00:51:12,720
and I am I am compelled to look to an

1037
00:51:18,529 --> 00:51:14,430
area of the sky that there is no obvious

1038
00:51:20,930 --> 00:51:18,539
aircraft in and my eyes zoom right in on

1039
00:51:21,470 --> 00:51:20,940
what's it what looks like a silver

1040
00:51:24,289 --> 00:51:21,480
sphere

1041
00:51:26,660 --> 00:51:24,299
I immediately begin photographing it I

1042
00:51:29,120 --> 00:51:26,670
have to admit that at the time I hadn't

1043
00:51:31,039 --> 00:51:29,130
picked up a DLSR in years I was shooting

1044
00:51:35,059 --> 00:51:31,049
everything mostly on just auto that

1045
00:51:38,150 --> 00:51:35,069
morning with autofocus and but I took

1046
00:51:40,249 --> 00:51:38,160
numerous photographs of it then I am I

1047
00:51:42,200 --> 00:51:40,259
called my wife out I wanted her to she

1048
00:51:43,339 --> 00:51:42,210
saw with her eyes we you know she looked

1049
00:51:45,049 --> 00:51:43,349
at it through the binoculars

1050
00:51:48,259 --> 00:51:45,059
we were both describing it in the same

1051
00:51:51,640 --> 00:51:48,269
way as the exact same size and shape and

1052
00:51:57,140 --> 00:51:51,650
color every you described sitting there

1053
00:51:58,640 --> 00:51:57,150
and so then immediately start checking

1054
00:52:00,890 --> 00:51:58,650
all the apps I had on my phone cos we

1055
00:52:03,589 --> 00:52:00,900
were just fresh from Guadalupe I still

1056
00:52:05,329 --> 00:52:03,599
had all of my friends experi she watch

1057
00:52:07,130 --> 00:52:05,339
the show that's what looks like a tackle

1058
00:52:09,519 --> 00:52:07,140
box was not fishing equipment I thought

1059
00:52:15,380 --> 00:52:09,529
around six equipment brands collection

1060
00:52:18,019 --> 00:52:15,390
but I I immediately checked all the wind

1061
00:52:19,910 --> 00:52:18,029
patterns and and checked flight patterns

1062
00:52:22,579 --> 00:52:19,920
and began taking screenshots of that

1063
00:52:24,140 --> 00:52:22,589
data to back it up and ended up sharing

1064
00:52:26,839 --> 00:52:24,150
it with some colleagues and we all agree

1065
00:52:29,450 --> 00:52:26,849
that that what I saw that day and what I

1066
00:52:32,059 --> 00:52:29,460
have on the photograph fits with all of

1067
00:52:35,299 --> 00:52:32,069
our all of our descriptions interviews

1068
00:52:39,890 --> 00:52:35,309
and testimony because it was it was

1069
00:52:41,660 --> 00:52:39,900
drifting against the wind it was

1070
00:52:47,690 --> 00:52:41,670
approximately a mile and a half away at

1071
00:52:50,440 --> 00:52:47,700
about 2500 feet about 50 degrees and it

1072
00:52:52,819 --> 00:52:50,450
just was drifting against the wind and

1073
00:52:54,410 --> 00:52:52,829
for it to be the size that it was the

1074
00:52:54,980 --> 00:52:54,420
shape that it was the distance at all

1075
00:53:00,650 --> 00:52:54,990
it's all

1076
00:53:02,570 --> 00:53:00,660
commensurate and since that time walking

1077
00:53:05,240 --> 00:53:02,580
out of my house and looking up in the

1078
00:53:08,000 --> 00:53:05,250
sky to see and not what I call just an

1079
00:53:10,790 --> 00:53:08,010
anomalous event and an anomalous event

1080
00:53:15,380 --> 00:53:10,800
might be a literally the International

1081
00:53:17,630 --> 00:53:15,390
Space Station a meteor all of those

1082
00:53:21,080 --> 00:53:17,640
other things we're now in the territory

1083
00:53:23,480 --> 00:53:21,090
of discussing synchronicity and that's

1084
00:53:25,850 --> 00:53:23,490
an entire can of worms that I think most

1085
00:53:27,620 --> 00:53:25,860
people have no idea about if they

1086
00:53:32,090 --> 00:53:27,630
haven't if they don't know they've

1087
00:53:34,100 --> 00:53:32,100
experienced him yeah so I just wanted to

1088
00:53:38,600 --> 00:53:34,110
share that with you because that your

1089
00:53:41,000 --> 00:53:38,610
story resonated with me and yours in

1090
00:53:45,080 --> 00:53:41,010
turn resonates at a different way in the

1091
00:53:46,940 --> 00:53:45,090
fact that there's a few of us that we we

1092
00:53:48,800 --> 00:53:46,950
talk about this quite often and we and

1093
00:53:50,420 --> 00:53:48,810
we talk about it often because we're

1094
00:53:54,080 --> 00:53:50,430
actually reporting having seen it again

1095
00:53:57,740 --> 00:53:54,090
is we'll kind of you know look at the

1096
00:53:59,960 --> 00:53:57,750
sky and wherever we look the exact

1097
00:54:02,780 --> 00:53:59,970
moment that we'll where we look when we

1098
00:54:06,940 --> 00:54:02,790
look something happens it might be just

1099
00:54:14,950 --> 00:54:11,300
starlight to the size of a penny and

1100
00:54:18,200 --> 00:54:14,960
then look out you know and it's always

1101
00:54:20,750 --> 00:54:18,210
just seems to happen wherever we look at

1102
00:54:23,540 --> 00:54:20,760
the moment that we look there and you

1103
00:54:26,390 --> 00:54:23,550
know again this is the Dodger territory

1104
00:54:30,680 --> 00:54:26,400
isn't it yes it is it is because it's

1105
00:54:34,150 --> 00:54:30,690
like why is this happening I I have

1106
00:54:36,320 --> 00:54:34,160
recently oh this sounds it sounds huge

1107
00:54:43,630 --> 00:54:36,330
there's so much hubris when people say

1108
00:54:46,609 --> 00:54:43,640
I've formed when it was reported that

1109
00:54:48,530 --> 00:54:46,619
the belief that we made that the United

1110
00:54:53,030 --> 00:54:48,540
States military may be picking some of

1111
00:54:56,060 --> 00:54:53,040
these things up now because of changes

1112
00:54:58,550 --> 00:54:56,070
to their radar systems to it advances

1113
00:55:01,010 --> 00:54:58,560
and upgrades to the system well what

1114
00:55:02,270 --> 00:55:01,020
we're see this is where you and I are

1115
00:55:03,800 --> 00:55:02,280
acknowledging that this is dodgy

1116
00:55:05,960 --> 00:55:03,810
territory so I think we're safe here

1117
00:55:07,880 --> 00:55:05,970
yeah what they've done is they've

1118
00:55:08,480 --> 00:55:07,890
altered the frequency that they are

1119
00:55:11,359 --> 00:55:08,490
observed

1120
00:55:12,650 --> 00:55:11,369
and therefore they are able to pick up

1121
00:55:14,780 --> 00:55:12,660
something in the electromagnetic

1122
00:55:17,359 --> 00:55:14,790
spectrum that may have been there the

1123
00:55:19,670 --> 00:55:17,369
whole time that they just weren't able

1124
00:55:21,410 --> 00:55:19,680
to perceive just as you and I are not

1125
00:55:24,260 --> 00:55:21,420
being able to perceive into the

1126
00:55:29,000 --> 00:55:24,270
ultraviolet and into the infrared as far

1127
00:55:30,710 --> 00:55:29,010
as we might want what if some of us the

1128
00:55:33,650 --> 00:55:30,720
frequency that our brains are operating

1129
00:55:35,900 --> 00:55:33,660
at and I know most people have no no

1130
00:55:37,760 --> 00:55:35,910
understanding whatsoever of brain

1131
00:55:39,260 --> 00:55:37,770
frequency and the different shifts that

1132
00:55:41,960 --> 00:55:39,270
their brain goes through throughout the

1133
00:55:44,180 --> 00:55:41,970
day between sleep awake and things like

1134
00:55:46,160 --> 00:55:44,190
that but what if the people that are

1135
00:55:49,790 --> 00:55:46,170
observing these things are either in a

1136
00:55:51,680 --> 00:55:49,800
different brainwave state or their

1137
00:55:53,599 --> 00:55:51,690
brains are operating at a frequency

1138
00:55:56,480 --> 00:55:53,609
where their perception is dialed in

1139
00:56:00,290 --> 00:55:56,490
differently so I'm wondering if there's

1140
00:56:02,690 --> 00:56:00,300
a if I stay away from the word quantum

1141
00:56:04,310 --> 00:56:02,700
as much as possible because I'm not a

1142
00:56:05,810 --> 00:56:04,320
physicist and I think too many of us

1143
00:56:12,260 --> 00:56:05,820
throw the word quantum around like it's

1144
00:56:14,450 --> 00:56:12,270
a magic stick but I'm I have this real

1145
00:56:17,500 --> 00:56:14,460
feeling that that there is something

1146
00:56:20,960 --> 00:56:17,510
there in the perception piece because

1147
00:56:22,640 --> 00:56:20,970
even recently we had our first I hate to

1148
00:56:23,599 --> 00:56:22,650
say our first the ones I think you know

1149
00:56:25,250 --> 00:56:23,609
once you're in

1150
00:56:26,990 --> 00:56:25,260
once you've dipped into this community

1151
00:56:29,030 --> 00:56:27,000
long enough it seems like a matter of

1152
00:56:32,930 --> 00:56:29,040
time before you start having group

1153
00:56:35,030 --> 00:56:32,940
sightings and my family finally had a

1154
00:56:36,109 --> 00:56:35,040
sighting and we say exciting because we

1155
00:56:37,670 --> 00:56:36,119
don't know what we saw we just know that

1156
00:56:40,370 --> 00:56:37,680
we couldn't identify it and we're pretty

1157
00:56:43,520 --> 00:56:40,380
well educated family when it comes to

1158
00:56:44,990 --> 00:56:43,530
aerial things and the interesting thing

1159
00:56:45,589 --> 00:56:45,000
was is that where there were three of us

1160
00:56:47,900 --> 00:56:45,599
there

1161
00:56:49,820 --> 00:56:47,910
who had basically the same high site two

1162
00:56:52,520 --> 00:56:49,830
of us saw it immediately and tracked it

1163
00:56:55,430 --> 00:56:52,530
the whole time the third person never

1164
00:56:57,650 --> 00:56:55,440
saw it at all and the two people that

1165
00:56:58,430 --> 00:56:57,660
did see it both report completely

1166
00:57:01,160 --> 00:56:58,440
different shapes

1167
00:57:04,099 --> 00:57:01,170
I saw a silver sphere or a clear sphere

1168
00:57:09,109 --> 00:57:04,109
like a soap bubble and the other person

1169
00:57:11,870 --> 00:57:09,119
saw a two-sided black triangle and that

1170
00:57:14,180 --> 00:57:11,880
other person that I was with has no

1171
00:57:16,490 --> 00:57:14,190
influence from the unshaped size or

1172
00:57:18,670 --> 00:57:16,500
zeitgeist of you apology or anything

1173
00:57:25,420 --> 00:57:18,680
like that whatsoever

1174
00:57:27,430 --> 00:57:25,430
and that was just a week ago so yeah and

1175
00:57:28,720 --> 00:57:27,440
as we said where do you go with that

1176
00:57:31,270 --> 00:57:28,730
because I still got to go out and be

1177
00:57:36,220 --> 00:57:31,280
objective when I know that's the money

1178
00:57:37,810 --> 00:57:36,230
so yeah well you know the thing is is

1179
00:57:42,790 --> 00:57:37,820
that we've got to be able to postulate

1180
00:57:44,860 --> 00:57:42,800
if we can't postulate then because what

1181
00:57:49,840 --> 00:57:44,870
else have we got really I mean I call it

1182
00:57:51,490 --> 00:57:49,850
news bubble it's all we've got you know

1183
00:57:54,190 --> 00:57:51,500
there might be some very clever music

1184
00:57:57,760 --> 00:57:54,200
very scientific but it is just that I

1185
00:58:01,060 --> 00:57:57,770
mean we've got to go on I mean all right

1186
00:58:06,030 --> 00:58:01,070
we have some data we have data that

1187
00:58:08,640 --> 00:58:06,040
pertains to the shape size speed and

1188
00:58:12,220 --> 00:58:08,650
maneuverability maybe if we're looking

1189
00:58:14,790 --> 00:58:12,230
but then you know what can we tell from

1190
00:58:18,820 --> 00:58:14,800
that information what can we tell from

1191
00:58:22,390 --> 00:58:18,830
observing the exterior of an unknown

1192
00:58:25,570 --> 00:58:22,400
structured craft great nothing we can't

1193
00:58:28,930 --> 00:58:25,580
we can't determine his propulsion

1194
00:58:31,450 --> 00:58:28,940
systems we cannot determine who might be

1195
00:58:35,620 --> 00:58:31,460
in it if anyone's in it where they're

1196
00:58:38,580 --> 00:58:35,630
from if it's ours you know I mean there

1197
00:58:42,040 --> 00:58:38,590
are some theories that do deserve

1198
00:58:44,740 --> 00:58:42,050
attention or at least chewing over

1199
00:58:47,560 --> 00:58:44,750
I mean rich Dolan he's got two things

1200
00:58:50,110 --> 00:58:47,570
that he postulates the breakaway

1201
00:58:56,080 --> 00:58:50,120
civilization and the secret space

1202
00:59:00,370 --> 00:58:56,090
program you know neither are mutually

1203
00:59:03,790 --> 00:59:00,380
exclusive yeah so you know there could

1204
00:59:06,700 --> 00:59:03,800
be someone who has actually figured

1205
00:59:10,630 --> 00:59:06,710
things out they figured out anti-gravity

1206
00:59:13,240 --> 00:59:10,640
these you know well we figured out the

1207
00:59:15,700 --> 00:59:13,250
lift have we figured out stability and

1208
00:59:17,710 --> 00:59:15,710
thrust and you know all the rest of it

1209
00:59:22,960 --> 00:59:17,720
all the things that we need to make

1210
00:59:27,640 --> 00:59:22,970
these these crafts you know flight were

1211
00:59:29,260 --> 00:59:27,650
they basically we've got such incredible

1212
00:59:30,830 --> 00:59:29,270
technology that is been shelve you've

1213
00:59:33,740 --> 00:59:30,840
got the sr-71 black

1214
00:59:36,440 --> 00:59:33,750
that is old now that's like an antique

1215
00:59:39,860 --> 00:59:36,450
and what an amazing piece of kit that

1216
00:59:43,750 --> 00:59:39,870
was you know Oh are we still just

1217
00:59:45,710 --> 00:59:43,760
running on fossil fuels are as

1218
00:59:47,570 --> 00:59:45,720
somebody's figured it out but you know

1219
00:59:49,640 --> 00:59:47,580
we've got CTSA people saying that they

1220
00:59:52,940 --> 00:59:49,650
want to actually build Italy's craft

1221
00:59:56,150 --> 00:59:52,950
what are they basing this on I'm gonna

1222
00:59:57,980 --> 00:59:56,160
risk I'm gonna risk being seen as an

1223
01:00:00,830 --> 00:59:57,990
apologist for the government and I'm not

1224
01:00:03,320 --> 01:00:00,840
I consider myself a pragmatist

1225
01:00:06,380 --> 01:00:03,330
but also let me let me preface by saying

1226
01:00:07,730 --> 01:00:06,390
I'm also I am NOT on the payroll of the

1227
01:00:09,380 --> 01:00:07,740
United States government other than my

1228
01:00:10,910 --> 01:00:09,390
pension from the United States Navy and

1229
01:00:13,550 --> 01:00:10,920
I am NOT on the I'm not on anyone's

1230
01:00:16,040 --> 01:00:13,560
payroll I'm not a member of TSA I'm no

1231
01:00:18,880 --> 01:00:16,050
one's shill and I'm no one's no one's

1232
01:00:26,120 --> 01:00:23,890
however T TSA is a is an incredibly

1233
01:00:27,860 --> 01:00:26,130
serious organization that's making

1234
01:00:33,680 --> 01:00:27,870
incredibly serious claims that I believe

1235
01:00:37,300 --> 01:00:33,690
that they're going to back up but there

1236
01:00:40,910 --> 01:00:37,310
are so many pieces of this that I think

1237
01:00:43,400 --> 01:00:40,920
eventually have to come to the table but

1238
01:00:49,850 --> 01:00:43,410
so many of them have been tainted over

1239
01:00:52,580 --> 01:00:49,860
the years for various reasons the word

1240
01:00:55,790 --> 01:00:52,590
conspiracy itself immediately polarizes

1241
01:00:59,090 --> 01:00:55,800
the conversation and that's why that

1242
01:01:01,640 --> 01:00:59,100
word and that idea was invented it was

1243
01:01:05,960 --> 01:01:01,650
invented purely for the fact of sowing

1244
01:01:08,480 --> 01:01:05,970
chaos into ideas until until the some

1245
01:01:11,330 --> 01:01:08,490
structure could control those ideas for

1246
01:01:12,800 --> 01:01:11,340
the greater good a lot of people get

1247
01:01:15,440 --> 01:01:12,810
triggered by words like great or good

1248
01:01:18,170 --> 01:01:15,450
but each of us no matter where you are

1249
01:01:22,480 --> 01:01:18,180
living we're all relying on someone else

1250
01:01:30,680 --> 01:01:27,260
but we've got it

1251
01:01:32,150 --> 01:01:30,690
really reach keep reaching back I use

1252
01:01:34,610 --> 01:01:32,160
the metaphor of a two-year-old who

1253
01:01:37,060 --> 01:01:34,620
continually acts why over and over again

1254
01:01:39,650 --> 01:01:37,070
and it ends up frustrating the parents

1255
01:01:41,560 --> 01:01:39,660
but I think often be not because we

1256
01:01:44,760 --> 01:01:41,570
don't want to answer their questions but

1257
01:01:46,560 --> 01:01:44,770
we at some levels we don't we don't know

1258
01:01:49,620 --> 01:01:46,570
why we we don't sit down to ask

1259
01:01:52,200 --> 01:01:49,630
ourselves those those questions and so

1260
01:01:55,050 --> 01:01:52,210
we get frustrated but we have to keep

1261
01:01:56,490 --> 01:01:55,060
asking why with this and what I mean by

1262
01:01:58,950 --> 01:01:56,500
that is we have to keep drilling down to

1263
01:02:00,180 --> 01:01:58,960
the origins how long has this phenomenon

1264
01:02:03,480 --> 01:02:00,190
been observed

1265
01:02:07,470 --> 01:02:03,490
well let's let's put right down on the

1266
01:02:09,900 --> 01:02:07,480
table for all of history and we'll just

1267
01:02:12,690 --> 01:02:09,910
leave that right there the implications

1268
01:02:16,320 --> 01:02:12,700
of that start unpacking across a very

1269
01:02:18,560 --> 01:02:16,330
wide area for many people when you look

1270
01:02:21,710 --> 01:02:18,570
back at our deeper deeper deeper history

1271
01:02:24,630 --> 01:02:21,720
there are serious indications of a

1272
01:02:29,570 --> 01:02:24,640
globalization that shouldn't have been

1273
01:02:32,580 --> 01:02:29,580
able to exist again tainted territory

1274
01:02:37,470 --> 01:02:32,590
for some people the words the names

1275
01:02:39,810 --> 01:02:37,480
Sitchin Annunaki etc immediately they

1276
01:02:43,290 --> 01:02:39,820
wipe it off the table they want none of

1277
01:02:48,020 --> 01:02:43,300
it but the fact that that a that

1278
01:02:54,330 --> 01:02:48,030
remnants of possible numerous past

1279
01:02:57,600 --> 01:02:54,340
cataclysms exist with legends similar

1280
01:03:00,750 --> 01:02:57,610
across the globe of someone lending

1281
01:03:03,780 --> 01:03:00,760
assistance in the guise of a sky god or

1282
01:03:05,790 --> 01:03:03,790
a visitor from underground or something

1283
01:03:07,500 --> 01:03:05,800
else I'm not one of those guys that's

1284
01:03:10,110 --> 01:03:07,510
ever gonna appear as a talking head on

1285
01:03:11,820 --> 01:03:10,120
ancient aliens but the infirm the

1286
01:03:17,100 --> 01:03:11,830
information that they present in an

1287
01:03:19,080 --> 01:03:17,110
entertaining fashion has merit and all

1288
01:03:20,880 --> 01:03:19,090
of these different parts need to be

1289
01:03:22,620 --> 01:03:20,890
brought to the table to make this stew

1290
01:03:23,940 --> 01:03:22,630
that we're gonna end up not calling the

1291
01:03:34,410 --> 01:03:23,950
phenomenon though we're gonna end up

1292
01:03:35,940 --> 01:03:34,420
calling reality yeah well and I may find

1293
01:03:37,770 --> 01:03:35,950
may I think there's one more piece to it

1294
01:03:40,770 --> 01:03:37,780
that we're also that I'm very pragmatic

1295
01:03:44,160 --> 01:03:40,780
about is that not every piece of this is

1296
01:03:47,280 --> 01:03:44,170
positive and pretty and has a nice spin

1297
01:03:50,400 --> 01:03:47,290
to it people were obviously hurt in the

1298
01:03:52,650 --> 01:03:50,410
process to keep these secrets there were

1299
01:03:55,260 --> 01:03:52,660
some people that had to bet were

1300
01:03:58,560 --> 01:03:55,270
directed to do jobs that most of us

1301
01:04:00,360 --> 01:03:58,570
wouldn't want to do and some of us would

1302
01:04:04,050 --> 01:04:00,370
would think didn't need to be done to

1303
01:04:06,480 --> 01:04:04,060
begin with to protect these secrets but

1304
01:04:10,020 --> 01:04:06,490
at some point we all have to understand

1305
01:04:11,520 --> 01:04:10,030
we're humans each one of us has kept

1306
01:04:16,230 --> 01:04:11,530
secrets from other people in our life

1307
01:04:17,850 --> 01:04:16,240
for whatever reason that we did and each

1308
01:04:22,400 --> 01:04:17,860
of us wants to be able to tell that

1309
01:04:25,440 --> 01:04:22,410
truth without being nailed to the wall

1310
01:04:27,390 --> 01:04:25,450
we're gonna have to figure out how all

1311
01:04:30,180 --> 01:04:27,400
of us are gonna bring all of the truth

1312
01:04:33,270 --> 01:04:30,190
out without burning down an entire group

1313
01:04:35,550 --> 01:04:33,280
of people or without ridiculing them or

1314
01:04:39,690 --> 01:04:35,560
threatening them because those if the

1315
01:04:42,120 --> 01:04:39,700
people who hold of a pitchfork aimed at

1316
01:04:46,680 --> 01:04:42,130
them those people are going to lie yeah

1317
01:04:48,510 --> 01:04:46,690
yeah so yeah and there's also other

1318
01:04:50,640 --> 01:04:48,520
reasons why people don't want to you

1319
01:04:53,250 --> 01:04:50,650
know kind of acknowledge the phenomena I

1320
01:04:56,040 --> 01:04:53,260
mean fear is the biggest one but it's

1321
01:04:57,930 --> 01:04:56,050
not just fear of the unknown some of

1322
01:05:02,310 --> 01:04:57,940
them think that they know what they're

1323
01:05:05,430 --> 01:05:02,320
looking at and they're saying it's

1324
01:05:08,400 --> 01:05:05,440
demonic for example you know and then

1325
01:05:11,750 --> 01:05:08,410
this kind of seems to these these

1326
01:05:15,720 --> 01:05:11,760
personal thoughts and ideas of top brass

1327
01:05:18,630 --> 01:05:15,730
are actually kind of curtailing any

1328
01:05:20,190 --> 01:05:18,640
serious study of this phenomena when

1329
01:05:22,500 --> 01:05:20,200
they're dismissing it because they're

1330
01:05:26,120 --> 01:05:22,510
frightened of it being something demonic

1331
01:05:29,460 --> 01:05:26,130
and and the fact that their ideas

1332
01:05:34,190 --> 01:05:29,470
overriding something that is actually

1333
01:05:37,770 --> 01:05:34,200
definitely of Defence significance and

1334
01:05:40,170 --> 01:05:37,780
you know we we've got this

1335
01:05:42,990 --> 01:05:40,180
it's an international issue we've got a

1336
01:05:45,750 --> 01:05:43,000
joint coalition forces now going on so

1337
01:05:49,950 --> 01:05:45,760
it's not like it's Britain and France

1338
01:05:54,180 --> 01:05:49,960
and America we're all kind of linked

1339
01:05:59,850 --> 01:05:54,190
together it's one kind of becoming an

1340
01:06:02,160 --> 01:05:59,860
amalgamation of you know forces so you

1341
01:06:03,180 --> 01:06:02,170
know and this these objects are

1342
01:06:05,630 --> 01:06:03,190
obviously there and they've obviously

1343
01:06:08,940 --> 01:06:05,640
been there for all time so why is it

1344
01:06:11,410 --> 01:06:08,950
there we're not taking it seriously

1345
01:06:12,609 --> 01:06:11,420
they're not being looked up properly

1346
01:06:15,220 --> 01:06:12,619
things are being brushed under the rug

1347
01:06:18,130 --> 01:06:15,230
when there's people like you and your

1348
01:06:20,079 --> 01:06:18,140
colleagues seeing these things and you

1349
01:06:22,960 --> 01:06:20,089
are reporting them and then the report

1350
01:06:24,819 --> 01:06:22,970
cards know where your debriefing you got

1351
01:06:26,799 --> 01:06:24,829
to a debriefing you expecting to be told

1352
01:06:30,220 --> 01:06:26,809
this that and the other and not to talk

1353
01:06:32,319 --> 01:06:30,230
about it possibly even sign this and

1354
01:06:35,130 --> 01:06:32,329
then you go in and they make a joke

1355
01:06:38,589 --> 01:06:35,140
about it there isn't a debriefing and

1356
01:06:41,039 --> 01:06:38,599
that's the end of that you know I mean

1357
01:06:46,030 --> 01:06:41,049
well the only thing the only I think you

1358
01:06:48,730 --> 01:06:46,040
complete one thing that the information

1359
01:06:49,900 --> 01:06:48,740
doesn't go anywhere I think that it's

1360
01:06:52,180 --> 01:06:49,910
it's like what we were talking about

1361
01:06:54,430 --> 01:06:52,190
before that the the information the

1362
01:06:57,910 --> 01:06:54,440
research and even I think in many ways

1363
01:07:00,160 --> 01:06:57,920
the conclusions exist but I don't

1364
01:07:02,410 --> 01:07:00,170
believe that they have a way to get out

1365
01:07:06,819 --> 01:07:02,420
of the the enclosure that they're

1366
01:07:10,210 --> 01:07:06,829
currently being kept in because if we

1367
01:07:11,500 --> 01:07:10,220
look if I don't if you if anybody read

1368
01:07:13,299 --> 01:07:11,510
any of my early articles one of the

1369
01:07:15,039 --> 01:07:13,309
things I did was try to lay out as

1370
01:07:16,589 --> 01:07:15,049
quickly as possible for my family

1371
01:07:20,650 --> 01:07:16,599
friends and the people who didn't know

1372
01:07:24,359 --> 01:07:20,660
the the very basic history of the United

1373
01:07:28,210 --> 01:07:24,369
States government's programs to study

1374
01:07:31,569 --> 01:07:28,220
UFOs and you ApS and you SOS and other

1375
01:07:34,240 --> 01:07:31,579
objects I don't um I don't get very deep

1376
01:07:38,520 --> 01:07:34,250
into it but it's it's obvious that those

1377
01:07:43,059 --> 01:07:38,530
programs don't end they get they get

1378
01:07:45,970 --> 01:07:43,069
exposed then they get cancelled they get

1379
01:07:47,470 --> 01:07:45,980
renamed and put into the black and we

1380
01:07:49,900 --> 01:07:47,480
can see it happening over and over again

1381
01:07:52,510 --> 01:07:49,910
we see it from project sign to project

1382
01:07:54,250 --> 01:07:52,520
grudge to project Bluebook and moving on

1383
01:07:55,990 --> 01:07:54,260
even beyond that with with other

1384
01:07:59,380 --> 01:07:56,000
programs that have been declassified

1385
01:08:02,289 --> 01:07:59,390
finally culminating in a tip that we are

1386
01:08:05,559 --> 01:08:02,299
told was also same fashion that were

1387
01:08:07,660 --> 01:08:05,569
meant to believe Oh shucks heck darn you

1388
01:08:09,460 --> 01:08:07,670
know about it now well it just got

1389
01:08:13,030 --> 01:08:09,470
canceled

1390
01:08:15,730 --> 01:08:13,040
it's and we keep eating from that same

1391
01:08:20,010 --> 01:08:15,740
trough and going okay okay well they

1392
01:08:23,979 --> 01:08:20,020
didn't find anything if we look at the

1393
01:08:25,300 --> 01:08:23,989
the data that has been Declassified by a

1394
01:08:28,930 --> 01:08:25,310
set by what they were

1395
01:08:32,050 --> 01:08:28,940
studying it's incredible I'm not here

1396
01:08:34,329 --> 01:08:32,060
today to drop those bombs but but we're

1397
01:08:37,090 --> 01:08:34,339
talking about really incredible

1398
01:08:43,530 --> 01:08:37,100
technology that has been observed tested

1399
01:08:47,710 --> 01:08:43,540
and is so profoundly world-changing that

1400
01:08:50,950 --> 01:08:47,720
again who had a good idea how to tell

1401
01:08:54,160 --> 01:08:50,960
the truth about this you know we talked

1402
01:08:56,170 --> 01:08:54,170
about keeping weapons of mass

1403
01:08:58,690 --> 01:08:56,180
destruction secret and we're totally

1404
01:09:01,090 --> 01:08:58,700
fine with that we don't want the recipe

1405
01:09:04,630 --> 01:09:01,100
for chemical weapons out there for

1406
01:09:06,430 --> 01:09:04,640
everybody to try making and this was

1407
01:09:08,860 --> 01:09:06,440
something that I believe that the people

1408
01:09:10,690 --> 01:09:08,870
that are there to look out for us can't

1409
01:09:12,190 --> 01:09:10,700
control and don't have the answers and

1410
01:09:16,650 --> 01:09:12,200
also I think they don't want to be

1411
01:09:19,960 --> 01:09:16,660
blamed for what this whole thing may be

1412
01:09:24,099 --> 01:09:19,970
but we have to so all of our other human

1413
01:09:25,840 --> 01:09:24,109
agendas into it there are it's not the

1414
01:09:27,880 --> 01:09:25,850
world is not just the United States of

1415
01:09:30,670 --> 01:09:27,890
America the only military is not just

1416
01:09:32,740 --> 01:09:30,680
the United States military so a lot of

1417
01:09:34,930 --> 01:09:32,750
people point at the United States for

1418
01:09:36,730 --> 01:09:34,940
answers but they need to look to their

1419
01:09:40,180 --> 01:09:36,740
own government a lot of governments have

1420
01:09:42,309 --> 01:09:40,190
made strides in disclosing all of their

1421
01:09:44,170 --> 01:09:42,319
information but others are still more

1422
01:09:50,290 --> 01:09:44,180
reticent and we have to ask ourselves

1423
01:09:51,700 --> 01:09:50,300
why I mean it's either that we're not at

1424
01:09:54,640 --> 01:09:51,710
the top of the food chain

1425
01:09:56,250 --> 01:09:54,650
ah we are and we've got technologies

1426
01:10:00,460 --> 01:09:56,260
though they're not telling us I

1427
01:10:02,920 --> 01:10:00,470
personally can't I there's two things

1428
01:10:05,020 --> 01:10:02,930
that the that often I try to stay

1429
01:10:06,760 --> 01:10:05,030
open-minded and mindful I try to listen

1430
01:10:08,320 --> 01:10:06,770
to everyone's point of view even if it's

1431
01:10:10,560 --> 01:10:08,330
something that I know deep down I

1432
01:10:19,870 --> 01:10:10,570
disagree with or have more information

1433
01:10:21,620 --> 01:10:19,880
but sorry I actually lost my train of

1434
01:10:27,410 --> 01:10:21,630
thought there

1435
01:10:30,680 --> 01:10:27,420
I think we were just basically talking

1436
01:10:33,700 --> 01:10:30,690
about whether you know like I said it's

1437
01:10:41,180 --> 01:10:33,710
either our information our technology or

1438
01:10:43,760 --> 01:10:41,190
you know it's not we've got you know

1439
01:10:46,190 --> 01:10:43,770
these objects the following and engage

1440
01:10:49,310 --> 01:10:46,200
you with an entire strike fleet which is

1441
01:10:52,040 --> 01:10:49,320
on the way to the Middle East and as a

1442
01:10:53,630 --> 01:10:52,050
top security officer you know in your

1443
01:10:56,030 --> 01:10:53,640
involvement in all of the other things

1444
01:10:58,220 --> 01:10:56,040
that you were doing what was it that you

1445
01:11:00,950 --> 01:10:58,230
expected your superiors to do with that

1446
01:11:02,750 --> 01:11:00,960
kind of information is a you know in

1447
01:11:05,630 --> 01:11:02,760
comparison to what they actually did do

1448
01:11:08,270 --> 01:11:05,640
you know we were just saying that you

1449
01:11:09,650 --> 01:11:08,280
know where does the information go does

1450
01:11:11,570 --> 01:11:09,660
he actually go anywhere

1451
01:11:14,930 --> 01:11:11,580
who does it go to and what do they do

1452
01:11:16,820 --> 01:11:14,940
about what the beans are what I think

1453
01:11:20,270 --> 01:11:16,830
well we know now that the information

1454
01:11:22,100 --> 01:11:20,280
did get to whoever was studying it

1455
01:11:27,590 --> 01:11:22,110
because eventually that's who released

1456
01:11:29,420 --> 01:11:27,600
it there are there have been murmurs and

1457
01:11:31,280 --> 01:11:29,430
rumors of the popping up on of the

1458
01:11:32,660 --> 01:11:31,290
tic-tac video popping up on YouTube

1459
01:11:35,090 --> 01:11:32,670
earlier and that doesn't surprise me

1460
01:11:41,180 --> 01:11:35,100
because I'm sure at some point someone

1461
01:11:43,970 --> 01:11:41,190
had a copy but it certainly appears that

1462
01:11:46,790 --> 01:11:43,980
this is reported the data did make its

1463
01:11:50,060 --> 01:11:46,800
way to whom we would have to whomever we

1464
01:11:52,610 --> 01:11:50,070
would assume is tracking it and it did

1465
01:11:55,690 --> 01:11:52,620
get added and collated etc and it

1466
01:12:00,980 --> 01:11:55,700
finally reached the attention of the

1467
01:12:03,830 --> 01:12:00,990
Luas Elizondo so there was a conduit for

1468
01:12:09,320 --> 01:12:03,840
that information there was there were

1469
01:12:11,780 --> 01:12:09,330
numerous entities set up to study it the

1470
01:12:15,920 --> 01:12:11,790
Bigelow Aerospace had a contract with a

1471
01:12:18,350 --> 01:12:15,930
tip a very pivotal one there are a lot

1472
01:12:22,720 --> 01:12:18,360
of other areas of study that fell under

1473
01:12:25,550 --> 01:12:22,730
that act that that are out there

1474
01:12:28,010 --> 01:12:25,560
Declassified if people are looking in

1475
01:12:31,880 --> 01:12:28,020
the right areas that really expand the

1476
01:12:35,540 --> 01:12:31,890
Condorcet because we're not just talking

1477
01:12:38,000 --> 01:12:35,550
about nuts-and-bolts craft Opera

1478
01:12:40,580 --> 01:12:38,010
by assumed intelligent entities we're

1479
01:12:44,450 --> 01:12:40,590
also talking about things that given

1480
01:12:49,160 --> 01:12:44,460
their size must be autonomous others

1481
01:12:53,270 --> 01:12:49,170
other things that demonstrate the

1482
01:13:00,460 --> 01:12:53,280
demonstrate behavior that mimics what

1483
01:13:05,500 --> 01:13:00,470
science shows us interdimensional cross

1484
01:13:08,120 --> 01:13:05,510
travel might look like or as or theorize

1485
01:13:10,090 --> 01:13:08,130
for example a third dimensional entity

1486
01:13:12,200 --> 01:13:10,100
entering the second dimension or

1487
01:13:15,080 --> 01:13:12,210
extrapolating what a third dimensional

1488
01:13:17,030 --> 01:13:15,090
entity might look like or fifth

1489
01:13:20,360 --> 01:13:17,040
dimension etc these are mathematical

1490
01:13:22,040 --> 01:13:20,370
exercises but some of them correlate to

1491
01:13:24,980 --> 01:13:22,050
what we're seeing why is that thing you

1492
01:13:26,600 --> 01:13:24,990
saw in the sky the suddenly the size of

1493
01:13:28,700 --> 01:13:26,610
a dinner plate in front of your face

1494
01:13:31,550 --> 01:13:28,710
when you really thought it was two miles

1495
01:13:34,670 --> 01:13:31,560
away you know all of these very very

1496
01:13:39,110 --> 01:13:34,680
interesting effects so all of these

1497
01:13:45,140 --> 01:13:39,120
things were studied and even more deeper

1498
01:13:48,110 --> 01:13:45,150
esoteric things like like the technology

1499
01:13:51,470 --> 01:13:48,120
that it would require to operate

1500
01:13:56,200 --> 01:13:51,480
vehicles like this and the the our

1501
01:14:01,280 --> 01:13:56,210
worlds or excuse me our society's best

1502
01:14:02,630 --> 01:14:01,290
scientists views and and calculations on

1503
01:14:05,960 --> 01:14:02,640
how this would how these things would

1504
01:14:07,640 --> 01:14:05,970
operate so this was not just Lewis

1505
01:14:10,550 --> 01:14:07,650
Elizondo sitting in front of a computer

1506
01:14:14,720 --> 01:14:10,560
and a telephone you know counting beans

1507
01:14:16,340 --> 01:14:14,730
in the Pentagon I can't I don't know

1508
01:14:18,920 --> 01:14:16,350
what it was beyond that but I can make

1509
01:14:25,760 --> 01:14:18,930
my own extrapolations based on the data

1510
01:14:27,320 --> 01:14:25,770
that I brought in how do we introduce

1511
01:14:30,500 --> 01:14:27,330
that conversation to the broader

1512
01:14:32,060 --> 01:14:30,510
audience because those generals you're

1513
01:14:33,680 --> 01:14:32,070
talking about up in the United States

1514
01:14:35,450 --> 01:14:33,690
government has very very clear-cut

1515
01:14:38,420 --> 01:14:35,460
beliefs on what's real and what's not

1516
01:14:40,910 --> 01:14:38,430
and their reality doesn't match the

1517
01:14:45,140 --> 01:14:40,920
majority of the rest of the world we all

1518
01:14:47,270 --> 01:14:45,150
have those different beliefs they're

1519
01:14:49,400 --> 01:14:47,280
gonna make decisions based on theirs do

1520
01:14:50,810 --> 01:14:49,410
you think those people kind of put in

1521
01:14:54,920 --> 01:14:50,820
those positions because they're like

1522
01:14:57,830 --> 01:14:54,930
that and because otherwise you know

1523
01:15:01,010 --> 01:14:57,840
what's the alternative if somebody isn't

1524
01:15:03,470 --> 01:15:01,020
kind of in in that position it's such a

1525
01:15:06,920 --> 01:15:03,480
high position and saying leave it alone

1526
01:15:08,360 --> 01:15:06,930
it's demons if it was a somebody who was

1527
01:15:11,000 --> 01:15:08,370
saying that then what would their

1528
01:15:13,660 --> 01:15:11,010
reaction be to it how would they try to

1529
01:15:17,390 --> 01:15:13,670
engage with it how would we you know

1530
01:15:19,040 --> 01:15:17,400
kind of come to understand it so do you

1531
01:15:20,810 --> 01:15:19,050
think that these people that with these

1532
01:15:23,990 --> 01:15:20,820
beliefs are being put this because then

1533
01:15:25,250 --> 01:15:24,000
it will go nowhere no III do not believe

1534
01:15:30,430 --> 01:15:25,260
I believe that what we're dealing with

1535
01:15:36,670 --> 01:15:30,440
here are human ego cognitive dissonance

1536
01:15:41,150 --> 01:15:36,680
and and cultural bias because I can line

1537
01:15:42,620 --> 01:15:41,160
their military personnel especially in

1538
01:15:43,910 --> 01:15:42,630
the United States know that there are

1539
01:15:45,860 --> 01:15:43,920
different attitudes amongst the

1540
01:15:49,070 --> 01:15:45,870
different services if you get a group of

1541
01:15:51,640 --> 01:15:49,080
Army folks together they have stay off

1542
01:15:55,730 --> 01:15:51,650
stereotypes Navy folks have stereotypes

1543
01:15:58,670 --> 01:15:55,740
we we use them playfully to to talk

1544
01:16:01,760 --> 01:15:58,680
about each other but different groups

1545
01:16:05,530 --> 01:16:01,770
are attracted to different branches of

1546
01:16:08,540 --> 01:16:05,540
service and some branches have a higher

1547
01:16:10,840 --> 01:16:08,550
level of fundamentalist attitude and I

1548
01:16:14,420 --> 01:16:10,850
won't I won't pick out any specific

1549
01:16:19,640 --> 01:16:14,430
dogma but when you're in a position to

1550
01:16:22,550 --> 01:16:19,650
lead to lead a rainbow of faiths and

1551
01:16:25,160 --> 01:16:22,560
people and you're bringing your faith to

1552
01:16:27,560 --> 01:16:25,170
the table to protect them all you're

1553
01:16:29,690 --> 01:16:27,570
making a mistake that's not part of my

1554
01:16:32,990 --> 01:16:29,700
constant the constitution of my patient

1555
01:16:35,180 --> 01:16:33,000
so even if they believe they're demons

1556
01:16:37,400 --> 01:16:35,190
and they're evil I tell you what as soon

1557
01:16:39,080 --> 01:16:37,410
as you can prove they're demons I want

1558
01:16:40,730 --> 01:16:39,090
that you to do that and I want the guys

1559
01:16:42,170 --> 01:16:40,740
who think they're aliens to prove it and

1560
01:16:43,760 --> 01:16:42,180
I want the other guys who have all these

1561
01:16:46,340 --> 01:16:43,770
other really awesome beliefs to just

1562
01:16:47,540 --> 01:16:46,350
prove them all and then we'll and then

1563
01:16:49,700 --> 01:16:47,550
we'll deal with it from there but until

1564
01:16:52,610 --> 01:16:49,710
that until that time we have to look at

1565
01:16:56,930 --> 01:16:52,620
it objectively yeah and there's

1566
01:16:58,940 --> 01:16:56,940
something here humanity does not claim

1567
01:17:00,830 --> 01:16:58,950
the understand that seems to have been

1568
01:17:01,250 --> 01:17:00,840
here the whole time exerting some level

1569
01:17:05,470 --> 01:17:01,260
of can

1570
01:17:08,629 --> 01:17:05,480
so without openly showing itself and

1571
01:17:11,029 --> 01:17:08,639
that seems to be the truth of it if

1572
01:17:13,040 --> 01:17:11,039
someone has better data and can prove it

1573
01:17:23,450 --> 01:17:13,050
to the rest of us that would be

1574
01:17:26,779 --> 01:17:23,460
preferred I'm still like well how do we

1575
01:17:32,000 --> 01:17:26,789
know it's not ours no because I did some

1576
01:17:35,350 --> 01:17:32,010
research I found some documents that

1577
01:17:39,649 --> 01:17:35,360
prove that there are certain fractions

1578
01:17:42,290 --> 01:17:39,659
that play at being UFOs they create

1579
01:17:45,609 --> 01:17:42,300
these situations that are realistic to

1580
01:17:47,540 --> 01:17:45,619
test officer attitude enemy response

1581
01:17:50,209 --> 01:17:47,550
research and development

1582
01:17:53,770 --> 01:17:50,219
getsu you know try out whatever it has

1583
01:17:56,029 --> 01:17:53,780
been researching and developing and and

1584
01:17:57,589 --> 01:17:56,039
these documents that I've found I'll

1585
01:18:02,990 --> 01:17:57,599
send you them and you'll see what I mean

1586
01:18:06,049 --> 01:18:03,000
the the start of it was basically our

1587
01:18:09,589 --> 01:18:06,059
nuclear bases under threat and they're

1588
01:18:12,020 --> 01:18:09,599
under threat from ourselves because you

1589
01:18:15,169 --> 01:18:12,030
know we are not behaving in the way that

1590
01:18:18,490 --> 01:18:15,179
we should this was in 1975 there weren't

1591
01:18:21,770 --> 01:18:18,500
any fingerprints you know like

1592
01:18:24,500 --> 01:18:21,780
technology like we have now we've got

1593
01:18:26,779 --> 01:18:24,510
facial recognition of biosensors

1594
01:18:28,520 --> 01:18:26,789
everything that's where though this is

1595
01:18:31,250 --> 01:18:28,530
the documents of where they said this is

1596
01:18:33,109 --> 01:18:31,260
where we are now which is hopeless and

1597
01:18:35,770 --> 01:18:33,119
this is where we want to be which is

1598
01:18:39,529 --> 01:18:35,780
completely being able to read somebody's

1599
01:18:41,479 --> 01:18:39,539
biological self and say whether they're

1600
01:18:44,479 --> 01:18:41,489
actually up to no good

1601
01:18:45,950 --> 01:18:44,489
you know reading the biometrics not

1602
01:18:47,720 --> 01:18:45,960
reading their minds or anything like

1603
01:18:51,009 --> 01:18:47,730
that but you will walk into an entryway

1604
01:18:54,109 --> 01:18:51,019
and that entryway will be absolutely

1605
01:18:56,629 --> 01:18:54,119
technology hidden that is read in your

1606
01:19:00,439 --> 01:18:56,639
physical state y'all you know it like

1607
01:19:02,120 --> 01:19:00,449
say like a polygraph machine would so

1608
01:19:04,759 --> 01:19:02,130
and that's where they wanted to be so

1609
01:19:06,770 --> 01:19:04,769
that the kids sort of identify whether

1610
01:19:10,399 --> 01:19:06,780
one of their stuff had been compromised

1611
01:19:12,740 --> 01:19:10,409
or what word they were up to no good but

1612
01:19:14,149 --> 01:19:12,750
also it was to test lots of the base

1613
01:19:16,669 --> 01:19:14,159
technologies

1614
01:19:19,280 --> 01:19:16,679
and they have some really really wild

1615
01:19:22,370 --> 01:19:19,290
ideas which they Clark called but Rogers

1616
01:19:27,740 --> 01:19:22,380
fairy-book Rogers so this was in 1975

1617
01:19:31,070 --> 01:19:27,750
right that's a long time ago where are

1618
01:19:33,830 --> 01:19:31,080
we now you know have we figured this out

1619
01:19:36,080 --> 01:19:33,840
are these things ours as this you know

1620
01:19:39,379 --> 01:19:36,090
Boeing etc they keep coming up with

1621
01:19:51,140 --> 01:19:39,389
these designs to electrify the whole of

1622
01:19:53,390 --> 01:19:51,150
the aircraft which can change buoyancy

1623
01:19:56,270 --> 01:19:53,400
if things in the air do we need wings

1624
01:19:58,820 --> 01:19:56,280
still you know do we need engines still

1625
01:20:01,669 --> 01:19:58,830
have we cracked it somewhere along the

1626
01:20:08,350 --> 01:20:01,679
line and that we just don't know about

1627
01:20:13,160 --> 01:20:08,360
that yeah are we be visited by aliens

1628
01:20:15,290 --> 01:20:13,170
interdimensional beings I don't believe

1629
01:20:17,180 --> 01:20:15,300
in near this time-travel nonsense

1630
01:20:18,860 --> 01:20:17,190
because every time somebody just says

1631
01:20:20,330 --> 01:20:18,870
anything about time travel I go well if

1632
01:20:22,459 --> 01:20:20,340
people have come from the future that

1633
01:20:25,129 --> 01:20:22,469
means we're all dead now

1634
01:20:28,160 --> 01:20:25,139
you know so we've we've this is are all

1635
01:20:30,020 --> 01:20:28,170
already happened there's so many

1636
01:20:32,330 --> 01:20:30,030
different pieces to this and that's why

1637
01:20:35,750 --> 01:20:32,340
I keep trying to kick the ball back over

1638
01:20:37,189 --> 01:20:35,760
and ask the question when we say when

1639
01:20:40,820 --> 01:20:37,199
we're having this conversation we use

1640
01:20:45,879 --> 01:20:40,830
words it we and then who are we who are

1641
01:20:50,000 --> 01:20:45,889
they yeah and it's not one thing because

1642
01:20:52,729 --> 01:20:50,010
the thing the tic-tac isn't that isn't

1643
01:20:55,959 --> 01:20:52,739
the exact same thing that I saw recently

1644
01:20:58,370 --> 01:20:55,969
or in other times I mean I've had other

1645
01:20:59,899 --> 01:20:58,380
you know I'm not this is not a if I'm

1646
01:21:01,419 --> 01:20:59,909
not Tooting my experience here horn here

1647
01:21:04,459 --> 01:21:01,429
I've seen a lot of weird crap in my life

1648
01:21:06,320 --> 01:21:04,469
and that that now in the last year I had

1649
01:21:09,080 --> 01:21:06,330
to sit down and really decide okay what

1650
01:21:11,120 --> 01:21:09,090
was what was weird and what was worth

1651
01:21:13,280 --> 01:21:11,130
writing down and there was a lot more

1652
01:21:17,590 --> 01:21:13,290
worth writing down than I was and I

1653
01:21:22,400 --> 01:21:20,720
let's let's talk about that when we what

1654
01:21:24,860 --> 01:21:22,410
we're gonna experience if it turns out

1655
01:21:28,070 --> 01:21:24,870
that this that this technology has been

1656
01:21:30,080 --> 01:21:28,080
present people are gonna be immediately

1657
01:21:31,880 --> 01:21:30,090
angry they're immediately going to

1658
01:21:34,310 --> 01:21:31,890
you're gonna have a contention that

1659
01:21:37,400 --> 01:21:34,320
immediately reacts strongly because you

1660
01:21:39,010 --> 01:21:37,410
should have given it to us before it

1661
01:21:41,000 --> 01:21:39,020
doesn't matter what information you have

1662
01:21:42,770 --> 01:21:41,010
there's always someone that's going to

1663
01:21:44,300 --> 01:21:42,780
say that but a lot of people are going

1664
01:21:46,040 --> 01:21:44,310
to be angry because they're going to

1665
01:21:48,170 --> 01:21:46,050
point to a lot of suffering in the world

1666
01:21:50,980 --> 01:21:48,180
and things like that and they may be

1667
01:21:54,260 --> 01:21:50,990
right well we've got a climate crisis

1668
01:21:55,430 --> 01:21:54,270
facing right now yeah that's gonna be a

1669
01:21:58,460 --> 01:21:55,440
good point actually

1670
01:22:01,220 --> 01:21:58,470
and and and the fact is is is at this

1671
01:22:02,870 --> 01:22:01,230
point it doesn't matter who what where

1672
01:22:05,060 --> 01:22:02,880
when or why you think it's happening

1673
01:22:06,200 --> 01:22:05,070
it's here and we got to do something

1674
01:22:08,990 --> 01:22:06,210
about it

1675
01:22:11,750 --> 01:22:09,000
with the climate crisis right so but

1676
01:22:14,510 --> 01:22:11,760
we've wasted enough time arguing the

1677
01:22:19,760 --> 01:22:14,520
whys you know arguing who set the fire

1678
01:22:21,200 --> 01:22:19,770
as the house burns down but I had a

1679
01:22:24,320 --> 01:22:21,210
brief period after my time in the

1680
01:22:26,060 --> 01:22:24,330
military where I actually uh I went to

1681
01:22:28,100 --> 01:22:26,070
culinary school and came a chef for a

1682
01:22:36,170 --> 01:22:28,110
short period of time before I realized

1683
01:22:38,750 --> 01:22:36,180
that is a harder job my wife and I

1684
01:22:48,650 --> 01:22:38,760
walked away from it with 30,000 dollars

1685
01:22:50,770 --> 01:22:48,660
worth of training and you're well aware

1686
01:22:52,400 --> 01:22:50,780
that we have a rule in the kitchen

1687
01:22:59,900 --> 01:22:52,410
first-in first-out

1688
01:23:03,220 --> 01:22:59,910
and that's how you manage resources for

1689
01:23:05,630 --> 01:23:03,230
a group of people if you don't utilize

1690
01:23:11,060 --> 01:23:05,640
the resources that are gonna perish

1691
01:23:15,940 --> 01:23:11,070
first then you're wasting resources and

1692
01:23:17,840 --> 01:23:15,950
eventually your restaurant will fail now

1693
01:23:18,980 --> 01:23:17,850
we don't like that

1694
01:23:20,750 --> 01:23:18,990
we're not none of us are gonna like it

1695
01:23:24,770 --> 01:23:20,760
if someone says they applied that to the

1696
01:23:26,630 --> 01:23:24,780
human race because most of us don't

1697
01:23:29,120 --> 01:23:26,640
think of the human race on a macro scale

1698
01:23:30,300 --> 01:23:29,130
and it's very dangerous to do so we saw

1699
01:23:33,180 --> 01:23:30,310
what happened when

1700
01:23:35,220 --> 01:23:33,190
in Germany in World War two and in other

1701
01:23:36,960 --> 01:23:35,230
places where other people tried to make

1702
01:23:43,290 --> 01:23:36,970
decisions for the whole race based on

1703
01:23:45,000 --> 01:23:43,300
their beliefs but we don't all also as I

1704
01:23:46,290 --> 01:23:45,010
said I mean I have to try to stay in the

1705
01:23:48,840 --> 01:23:46,300
middle of the road with this to an

1706
01:23:50,520 --> 01:23:48,850
extent but I don't have all the

1707
01:23:51,900 --> 01:23:50,530
information and so we have to deal with

1708
01:23:54,660 --> 01:23:51,910
how do we get the information out

1709
01:23:56,460 --> 01:23:54,670
without shooting the messenger yeah what

1710
01:23:58,110 --> 01:23:56,470
are we gonna do when with the portions

1711
01:24:03,750 --> 01:23:58,120
of the message that we don't agree with

1712
01:24:08,820 --> 01:24:03,760
again I'm not calling for for blanket

1713
01:24:10,350 --> 01:24:08,830
forgiveness for anything ever we live in

1714
01:24:13,020 --> 01:24:10,360
a case-by-case world where your

1715
01:24:19,400 --> 01:24:13,030
intentions have to have to count for

1716
01:24:22,800 --> 01:24:19,410
something but this is our conversation

1717
01:24:24,300 --> 01:24:22,810
every single human on the planet and we

1718
01:24:27,570 --> 01:24:24,310
have to continue to define what that

1719
01:24:29,880 --> 01:24:27,580
means and we've we admittedly live in a

1720
01:24:34,610 --> 01:24:29,890
world where we still withhold rights

1721
01:24:39,060 --> 01:24:34,620
from people who have the same DNA as us

1722
01:24:41,340 --> 01:24:39,070
for the way that they look and we

1723
01:24:43,830 --> 01:24:41,350
persecute them we murder them we

1724
01:24:48,600 --> 01:24:43,840
demonize and hold contempt for them in

1725
01:24:50,970 --> 01:24:48,610
our hearts and we're talking about

1726
01:24:54,030 --> 01:24:50,980
broadening the conversation to add in

1727
01:24:57,240 --> 01:24:54,040
more to that and we we have a hard time

1728
01:25:00,720 --> 01:24:57,250
keeping our house clean right now so we

1729
01:25:04,920 --> 01:25:00,730
are we are a young and entitled group of

1730
01:25:07,590 --> 01:25:04,930
humans us nearly eight billion now and

1731
01:25:09,720 --> 01:25:07,600
we have to decide at some point where

1732
01:25:13,770 --> 01:25:09,730
does each of our self agency come into

1733
01:25:15,300 --> 01:25:13,780
this if you look into your I'm I have to

1734
01:25:16,410 --> 01:25:15,310
get metaphysical with this because when

1735
01:25:17,670 --> 01:25:16,420
you look and I have to ask each

1736
01:25:20,520 --> 01:25:17,680
individual when you look in your own

1737
01:25:22,890 --> 01:25:20,530
heart do you feel that you're doing

1738
01:25:24,690 --> 01:25:22,900
right by yourself and those around you

1739
01:25:27,030 --> 01:25:24,700
or just by your just right for yourself

1740
01:25:32,490 --> 01:25:27,040
if you feel back into a corner and

1741
01:25:33,930 --> 01:25:32,500
entitled to your anger you know those of

1742
01:25:35,820 --> 01:25:33,940
us who don't feel that way we have to

1743
01:25:37,380 --> 01:25:35,830
offer those other folks at hand we have

1744
01:25:39,210 --> 01:25:37,390
to lure them out of the dark warm out of

1745
01:25:42,660 --> 01:25:39,220
the cave and give them a chance to

1746
01:25:43,979 --> 01:25:42,670
de-escalate their fear yeah because I I

1747
01:25:45,120 --> 01:25:43,989
think these people in

1748
01:25:47,489 --> 01:25:45,130
United States government who are

1749
01:25:49,950 --> 01:25:47,499
claiming that their demons and people

1750
01:25:52,529 --> 01:25:49,960
who are claiming can't and I say

1751
01:25:54,270 --> 01:25:52,539
constant I again I don't want to

1752
01:25:56,910 --> 01:25:54,280
disparage anybody's personal experience

1753
01:25:58,649 --> 01:25:56,920
but I deal in macro data I deal in

1754
01:26:01,290 --> 01:25:58,659
trying to trying to pour it through a

1755
01:26:04,279 --> 01:26:01,300
sieve and it there seems to be a

1756
01:26:07,020 --> 01:26:04,289
correlation between your interior state

1757
01:26:10,109 --> 01:26:07,030
how you feel about the world around you

1758
01:26:13,830 --> 01:26:10,119
and yourself and how the phenomenon

1759
01:26:16,430 --> 01:26:13,840
manifests itself in your life it seems

1760
01:26:20,120 --> 01:26:16,440
like people with highly positive highly

1761
01:26:22,709 --> 01:26:20,130
loving attitudes who are not living in

1762
01:26:25,950 --> 01:26:22,719
fight or flight who are not living in a

1763
01:26:30,200 --> 01:26:25,960
dynamic of fear seem to experience a

1764
01:26:33,989 --> 01:26:30,210
much different kind of synchronicity and

1765
01:26:36,299 --> 01:26:33,999
connection to this phenomenon not just

1766
01:26:38,489 --> 01:26:36,309
the nuts and bolts saucers tic tacs and

1767
01:26:41,399 --> 01:26:38,499
circles but the other things people are

1768
01:26:44,129 --> 01:26:41,409
reporting in consciousness that often

1769
01:26:47,669 --> 01:26:44,139
too many of them seem connected and I

1770
01:26:49,620 --> 01:26:47,679
know that in my personal life I tried to

1771
01:26:51,149 --> 01:26:49,630
I tried to come at this middle of the

1772
01:26:53,970 --> 01:26:51,159
road the whole time I tried to keep my

1773
01:26:56,239 --> 01:26:53,980
spirituality which was has been new in

1774
01:26:59,009 --> 01:26:56,249
the last few years since I became a

1775
01:27:01,560 --> 01:26:59,019
meditator and everything I tried to keep

1776
01:27:03,180 --> 01:27:01,570
it separate from my objectivity but at

1777
01:27:07,020 --> 01:27:03,190
this point most of its become evidence

1778
01:27:12,660 --> 01:27:07,030
and so I have to consider that evidence

1779
01:27:14,189 --> 01:27:12,670
based on the phenomenon and for me I had

1780
01:27:16,950 --> 01:27:14,199
an experience that I'm not willing to

1781
01:27:18,839 --> 01:27:16,960
share yet that that created a great deal

1782
01:27:21,810 --> 01:27:18,849
of fear in my life in regards to this

1783
01:27:26,489 --> 01:27:21,820
phenomenon and it literally scared the

1784
01:27:28,919 --> 01:27:26,499
hell out of me and I I had to

1785
01:27:30,629 --> 01:27:28,929
immediately deal with that and decide

1786
01:27:32,910 --> 01:27:30,639
what it was gonna mean to me and how I

1787
01:27:36,029 --> 01:27:32,920
was gonna use that information going

1788
01:27:38,310 --> 01:27:36,039
forward and unfortunately this will turn

1789
01:27:40,229 --> 01:27:38,320
some people off because it sounds -

1790
01:27:43,290 --> 01:27:40,239
woowoo and hippie for them but I decided

1791
01:27:46,770 --> 01:27:43,300
to turn to the love I decided to

1792
01:27:49,919 --> 01:27:46,780
practice radical compassion inside of

1793
01:27:52,020 --> 01:27:49,929
myself for I basically got a list of all

1794
01:27:53,729 --> 01:27:52,030
of the people in the world as much as

1795
01:27:57,760 --> 01:27:53,739
like as closest I could come that really

1796
01:27:59,890 --> 01:27:57,770
got under my skin and I had to start

1797
01:28:01,780 --> 01:27:59,900
I had to go that one step beyond and say

1798
01:28:03,040 --> 01:28:01,790
I'm gonna practice completely what I

1799
01:28:07,720 --> 01:28:03,050
preach and I'm gonna try to love

1800
01:28:13,870 --> 01:28:07,730
everybody and the way that I experienced

1801
01:28:16,480 --> 01:28:13,880
the phenomenon completely changed and I

1802
01:28:18,460 --> 01:28:16,490
don't want to go back to the to the fear

1803
01:28:20,320 --> 01:28:18,470
modality I was living in before and so

1804
01:28:23,830 --> 01:28:20,330
far my friends and family have told me

1805
01:28:26,650 --> 01:28:23,840
that my objectivity seems to seems to

1806
01:28:30,040 --> 01:28:26,660
still be intact and I just the same just

1807
01:28:30,820 --> 01:28:30,050
a slightly nicer dude which is which is

1808
01:28:34,270 --> 01:28:30,830
always nice

1809
01:28:37,420 --> 01:28:34,280
but I have to question what our personal

1810
01:28:43,180 --> 01:28:37,430
responsibility is when investigating and

1811
01:28:45,580 --> 01:28:43,190
understanding the phenomena because

1812
01:28:48,160 --> 01:28:45,590
there's you know there are so many

1813
01:28:50,830 --> 01:28:48,170
different aspects of this phenomena as

1814
01:28:52,510 --> 01:28:50,840
well you know it's not just people

1815
01:28:54,970 --> 01:28:52,520
seeing you I first it's not people

1816
01:28:56,500 --> 01:28:54,980
saying that they've been abducted it's

1817
01:28:57,760 --> 01:28:56,510
you know people they're saying that

1818
01:28:59,860 --> 01:28:57,770
they're getting these dials of

1819
01:29:03,970 --> 01:28:59,870
information and then there's you know

1820
01:29:07,450 --> 01:29:03,980
then there's people seeing spirits or

1821
01:29:10,360 --> 01:29:07,460
whatever but usually they've had one

1822
01:29:13,120 --> 01:29:10,370
experience that's weird yeah they're

1823
01:29:14,320 --> 01:29:13,130
neat kind of opens the door for a lot of

1824
01:29:16,960 --> 01:29:14,330
other things and that they're not

1825
01:29:21,490 --> 01:29:16,970
actually connected the only common

1826
01:29:23,410 --> 01:29:21,500
denominator is yourself yourself in that

1827
01:29:28,330 --> 01:29:23,420
particular environment seeing and

1828
01:29:30,580 --> 01:29:28,340
feeling whatever you know that but

1829
01:29:32,650 --> 01:29:30,590
there's so much of it and you can't say

1830
01:29:34,360 --> 01:29:32,660
it's any one thing because it's not and

1831
01:29:36,250 --> 01:29:34,370
then we do have to look at our

1832
01:29:40,600 --> 01:29:36,260
consciousness and what we are as human

1833
01:29:43,990 --> 01:29:40,610
beings you know like I said when we had

1834
01:29:46,330 --> 01:29:44,000
the conversation the other day you know

1835
01:29:48,340 --> 01:29:46,340
we talked about the solar system and

1836
01:29:51,040 --> 01:29:48,350
we're showing this very Placid model

1837
01:29:52,780 --> 01:29:51,050
with the Suns in the middle and there's

1838
01:29:58,210 --> 01:29:52,790
all these little rings on an each ring

1839
01:30:04,080 --> 01:29:58,220
was a planet and it's all very Placid in

1840
01:30:09,970 --> 01:30:04,090
actuality that is like face front

1841
01:30:10,490 --> 01:30:09,980
model where nothing is moving our solar

1842
01:30:16,070 --> 01:30:10,500
system

1843
01:30:17,479 --> 01:30:16,080
is a crazy chaotic lunatic place we the

1844
01:30:19,640 --> 01:30:17,489
Sun is hurtling forward

1845
01:30:21,920 --> 01:30:19,650
everything's throwing around the Sun as

1846
01:30:24,500 --> 01:30:21,930
were going forwards it's absolute

1847
01:30:27,560 --> 01:30:24,510
madness when I saw that that Haley

1848
01:30:32,420 --> 01:30:27,570
called the vortex can the solar system

1849
01:30:35,420 --> 01:30:32,430
model for five minutes more and I was

1850
01:30:38,060 --> 01:30:35,430
like wow wow that's where we live and

1851
01:30:41,570 --> 01:30:38,070
people say things are impossible and if

1852
01:30:44,870 --> 01:30:41,580
you like I don't know a hundred years

1853
01:30:46,370 --> 01:30:44,880
ago we didn't know before we knew that

1854
01:30:49,209 --> 01:30:46,380
that was the model of the solar system

1855
01:30:52,160 --> 01:30:49,219
and where we are if you try to describe

1856
01:30:54,500 --> 01:30:52,170
the place where we are how fast it's

1857
01:30:57,500 --> 01:30:54,510
moving how fast it's spinning how fast

1858
01:30:59,540 --> 01:30:57,510
we're moving forward through space you

1859
01:31:01,310 --> 01:30:59,550
know all of this they would have said

1860
01:31:02,150 --> 01:31:01,320
impossible you've probably been burned

1861
01:31:05,270 --> 01:31:02,160
at the stake

1862
01:31:07,340 --> 01:31:05,280
so you know all these things that we're

1863
01:31:11,180 --> 01:31:07,350
told are impossible they often turn out

1864
01:31:13,729 --> 01:31:11,190
to be the actuality and I don't even

1865
01:31:16,760 --> 01:31:13,739
know what I am as a human being in

1866
01:31:18,950 --> 01:31:16,770
reality when I look at it that model of

1867
01:31:22,180 --> 01:31:18,960
the solar system and think Jesus Christ

1868
01:31:25,939 --> 01:31:22,190
actually live I'm not the thing that's

1869
01:31:28,040 --> 01:31:25,949
whoo how can anybody say that anything

1870
01:31:33,620 --> 01:31:28,050
is impossible but and that is actually

1871
01:31:34,670 --> 01:31:33,630
where we are so you know for me nothing

1872
01:31:37,820 --> 01:31:34,680
is impossible

1873
01:31:41,530 --> 01:31:37,830
I completely agree I completely agree

1874
01:31:47,920 --> 01:31:41,540
with that I think that so many of us I

1875
01:31:50,450 --> 01:31:47,930
underestimate our fellow human because

1876
01:31:52,490 --> 01:31:50,460
there are simple concepts well I

1877
01:31:53,689 --> 01:31:52,500
underestimate them because I just I'm

1878
01:31:54,740 --> 01:31:53,699
one of those people that unfortunately I

1879
01:31:56,930 --> 01:31:54,750
soon when I learned something it

1880
01:31:58,790 --> 01:31:56,940
automatically just happened for everyone

1881
01:32:01,790 --> 01:31:58,800
else too I'm like oh you know about that

1882
01:32:04,270 --> 01:32:01,800
right but but why would any of us think

1883
01:32:06,800 --> 01:32:04,280
that we why would we think we're we're

1884
01:32:07,280 --> 01:32:06,810
anything stops that we're in the end-all

1885
01:32:11,270 --> 01:32:07,290
be-all

1886
01:32:13,430 --> 01:32:11,280
I mean we're all so simple to step on an

1887
01:32:15,650 --> 01:32:13,440
ant flick something smaller than us

1888
01:32:16,939 --> 01:32:15,660
utilize it as a food source and don't

1889
01:32:18,650 --> 01:32:16,949
get me wrong I understand how nature

1890
01:32:22,100 --> 01:32:18,660
works I'm not disparaging anyone their

1891
01:32:24,350 --> 01:32:22,110
diet necessarily but why would we then

1892
01:32:26,899 --> 01:32:24,360
think well but because I've never been

1893
01:32:28,970 --> 01:32:26,909
put on a plate there must be nothing

1894
01:32:32,060 --> 01:32:28,980
bigger than me there must be nothing

1895
01:32:38,089 --> 01:32:32,070
stronger or more advanced or we just

1896
01:32:41,330 --> 01:32:38,099
think that everything ends with us how

1897
01:32:43,970 --> 01:32:41,340
long did it take it took till 2018 or 19

1898
01:32:47,149 --> 01:32:43,980
for the two of us to even hear about the

1899
01:32:49,399 --> 01:32:47,159
the the corkscrew model of the solar

1900
01:32:51,799 --> 01:32:49,409
system hurtling through that you know we

1901
01:32:53,930 --> 01:32:51,809
just we just knew that static one and

1902
01:32:56,390 --> 01:32:53,940
and how long did it take for us to for

1903
01:32:59,030 --> 01:32:56,400
you and I to find out that oh atoms

1904
01:33:01,459 --> 01:32:59,040
don't look like solar systems either you

1905
01:33:03,169 --> 01:33:01,469
know and the phrase that they're empty

1906
01:33:08,180 --> 01:33:03,179
is true but not true all at the same

1907
01:33:11,750 --> 01:33:08,190
time and it's it's incredible the wealth

1908
01:33:14,299 --> 01:33:11,760
of data that is out there and what each

1909
01:33:21,830 --> 01:33:14,309
of us doesn't know even about our own

1910
01:33:23,930 --> 01:33:21,840
selves I just kind of want to make

1911
01:33:26,500 --> 01:33:23,940
people you know strap them in a chair

1912
01:33:30,229 --> 01:33:26,510
and make them look this is where we live

1913
01:33:32,720 --> 01:33:30,239
yeah what are you what are you you know

1914
01:33:35,990 --> 01:33:32,730
and we're all so caught up in kind of

1915
01:33:37,850 --> 01:33:36,000
judging each other and you kind of cover

1916
01:33:39,439 --> 01:33:37,860
at liebelei and each other in to behave

1917
01:33:41,450 --> 01:33:39,449
in certain ways I see this in the UFO

1918
01:33:46,490 --> 01:33:41,460
community I am a victim of that in the

1919
01:33:48,859 --> 01:33:46,500
UFO community you know but to me the it

1920
01:33:50,990 --> 01:33:48,869
doesn't mean anything none of that means

1921
01:33:53,839 --> 01:33:51,000
anything and I kind of look at it in it

1922
01:33:56,359 --> 01:33:53,849
so differently now not like I'm better

1923
01:33:59,140 --> 01:33:56,369
than that or any anything but I just

1924
01:34:00,290 --> 01:33:59,150
think wow that is also a pointless

1925
01:34:03,160 --> 01:34:00,300
mm-hmm

1926
01:34:06,740 --> 01:34:03,170
you know we really need to figure out

1927
01:34:09,140 --> 01:34:06,750
what we are as humans before we kind of

1928
01:34:12,410 --> 01:34:09,150
judge anybody else for being less of a

1929
01:34:15,770 --> 01:34:12,420
human okay I've been working on them on

1930
01:34:17,060 --> 01:34:15,780
an article lately and I've been putting

1931
01:34:19,040 --> 01:34:17,070
a lot of thought into it it's not just

1932
01:34:22,430 --> 01:34:19,050
one of them that usually comes out in a

1933
01:34:24,500 --> 01:34:22,440
quick rush but one of the first things I

1934
01:34:26,330 --> 01:34:24,510
would teach when I would begin teaching

1935
01:34:28,370 --> 01:34:26,340
meditation as and many people would be

1936
01:34:31,100 --> 01:34:28,380
familiar with it but it's just a simple

1937
01:34:32,959 --> 01:34:31,110
idea of sitting down and we want to get

1938
01:34:35,450 --> 01:34:32,969
to a place of quietness where you

1939
01:34:36,950 --> 01:34:35,460
realize possibly for the first time in

1940
01:34:38,120 --> 01:34:36,960
your life that you're flop your excuse

1941
01:34:41,270 --> 01:34:38,130
me your thoughts are flowing

1942
01:34:43,940 --> 01:34:41,280
by and there's something that you choose

1943
01:34:45,380 --> 01:34:43,950
and most of us identify with our

1944
01:34:49,100 --> 01:34:45,390
thoughts in a way that we think that

1945
01:34:52,370 --> 01:34:49,110
they are us and it's it's a hard it's a

1946
01:34:54,740 --> 01:34:52,380
very hard concept to impart people like

1947
01:34:57,220 --> 01:34:54,750
the Dali Lama etc have been trying to

1948
01:35:00,920 --> 01:34:57,230
give it away for years and you can't

1949
01:35:02,390 --> 01:35:00,930
give it away it's one of the hardest

1950
01:35:04,610 --> 01:35:02,400
things I found is to actually get

1951
01:35:07,430 --> 01:35:04,620
someone to sit down in a quiet room

1952
01:35:08,720 --> 01:35:07,440
alone with themselves it's one of the

1953
01:35:10,370 --> 01:35:08,730
hardest things I'm not the first person

1954
01:35:13,490 --> 01:35:10,380
to say that most of meditation

1955
01:35:17,330 --> 01:35:13,500
facilitators or teachers it's it's

1956
01:35:19,670 --> 01:35:17,340
shocking when you realize how you do

1957
01:35:21,530 --> 01:35:19,680
feel like the the sober person in the

1958
01:35:23,660 --> 01:35:21,540
car full of drugs to an extent and you

1959
01:35:28,220 --> 01:35:23,670
just want so badly for everyone else to

1960
01:35:29,780 --> 01:35:28,230
be to be there I think a lot of people

1961
01:35:31,310 --> 01:35:29,790
are frightened of the inside of their

1962
01:35:33,290 --> 01:35:31,320
own minds I don't think they know how to

1963
01:35:37,810 --> 01:35:33,300
think properly I don't think critical

1964
01:35:41,180 --> 01:35:37,820
thinking is you know kind of innate

1965
01:35:42,890 --> 01:35:41,190
thing in us and I think a lot of people

1966
01:35:48,200 --> 01:35:42,900
are caught in chain reactions and they

1967
01:35:50,150 --> 01:35:48,210
don't realize they can stop that moment

1968
01:35:52,370 --> 01:35:50,160
and and completely change the course of

1969
01:35:55,700 --> 01:35:52,380
the life just by stopping that reaction

1970
01:35:56,900 --> 01:35:55,710
you know choosing choosing where you

1971
01:35:58,970 --> 01:35:56,910
want to be and how you want to feel

1972
01:36:02,120 --> 01:35:58,980
about things I mean I I've come to this

1973
01:36:04,130 --> 01:36:02,130
through a you know having PTSD from the

1974
01:36:06,710 --> 01:36:04,140
UFO event that happened and you know

1975
01:36:11,030 --> 01:36:06,720
various other things in life as well but

1976
01:36:13,810 --> 01:36:11,040
then you know this this place that I

1977
01:36:17,090 --> 01:36:13,820
mean now it's it's not for your based

1978
01:36:20,780 --> 01:36:17,100
mm-hmm I had to stop that I thought yeah

1979
01:36:22,610 --> 01:36:20,790
you know cannot live like this and it

1980
01:36:26,930 --> 01:36:22,620
was being trolled that made me

1981
01:36:31,280 --> 01:36:26,940
appreciate that now really really

1982
01:36:33,740 --> 01:36:31,290
matters and you know and and having this

1983
01:36:36,140 --> 01:36:33,750
phenomena appear in my life on more than

1984
01:36:38,750 --> 01:36:36,150
one occasion that's a really really

1985
01:36:40,490 --> 01:36:38,760
hungry tool to have because you can get

1986
01:36:42,050 --> 01:36:40,500
caught back up in that chain reaction

1987
01:36:46,670 --> 01:36:42,060
again if that fear-based

1988
01:36:51,209 --> 01:36:46,680
reaction and you know is so unhealthy

1989
01:36:53,040 --> 01:36:51,219
but we are allowed and is when I

1990
01:36:55,259 --> 01:36:53,050
see in the UFO community I see a lot of

1991
01:36:56,850 --> 01:36:55,269
traumatized people and one of the things

1992
01:36:58,979 --> 01:36:56,860
that angers me is that I feel that

1993
01:37:02,219 --> 01:36:58,989
somebody has got the answers are some of

1994
01:37:05,359 --> 01:37:02,229
the answers and they're kind of just

1995
01:37:07,500 --> 01:37:05,369
letting us do in our own juice and even

1996
01:37:09,000 --> 01:37:07,510
ridiculing the subject so that we become

1997
01:37:10,770 --> 01:37:09,010
really killed as well while we're

1998
01:37:12,719 --> 01:37:10,780
actually in the place of trauma so

1999
01:37:14,879 --> 01:37:12,729
you've got and then you can't talk about

2000
01:37:16,859 --> 01:37:14,889
it because I'm already traumatized

2001
01:37:18,779 --> 01:37:16,869
if I say this they're gonna laugh at me

2002
01:37:21,209 --> 01:37:18,789
it's gonna re traumatize me I'll make it

2003
01:37:23,700 --> 01:37:21,219
even worse and you know and and the

2004
01:37:26,250 --> 01:37:23,710
where you are now and where I am now a

2005
01:37:32,219 --> 01:37:26,260
very similar place is because it's all

2006
01:37:33,689 --> 01:37:32,229
about stop you have to stop I think you

2007
01:37:37,049 --> 01:37:33,699
summed it perfect I think you summed it

2008
01:37:39,060 --> 01:37:37,059
up perfectly you and you said a very

2009
01:37:43,739 --> 01:37:39,070
important word you said that we are

2010
01:37:45,540 --> 01:37:43,749
allowed now my question is who allows

2011
01:37:49,370 --> 01:37:45,550
you and I to do anything and in our

2012
01:37:52,950 --> 01:37:49,380
cases you and I captured our self agency

2013
01:37:55,109 --> 01:37:52,960
we we said Ike and and this isn't maybe

2014
01:37:57,239 --> 01:37:55,119
it starts out contemptuous you know I

2015
01:37:59,609 --> 01:37:57,249
can't rely on my church I can't rely on

2016
01:38:00,209 --> 01:37:59,619
my government you know and it can be

2017
01:38:02,609 --> 01:38:00,219
weird

2018
01:38:04,379 --> 01:38:02,619
end up very isolated because of the way

2019
01:38:07,109 --> 01:38:04,389
this phenomenon seems to work and so you

2020
01:38:09,779 --> 01:38:07,119
make a choice then I think to isolate

2021
01:38:11,700 --> 01:38:09,789
yourself further or towards you take

2022
01:38:14,279 --> 01:38:11,710
that leap to open yourself up to

2023
01:38:18,680 --> 01:38:14,289
whatever will be and I that's you know

2024
01:38:22,919 --> 01:38:18,690
that's nice woo woo talk there but we

2025
01:38:26,370 --> 01:38:22,929
self agency is something that humanity

2026
01:38:27,689 --> 01:38:26,380
lacks and we can look at all of the I'm

2027
01:38:31,500 --> 01:38:27,699
going to use a very broad term of

2028
01:38:33,870 --> 01:38:31,510
control systems because that's that's

2029
01:38:36,479 --> 01:38:33,880
truly what they are a government helps

2030
01:38:37,919 --> 01:38:36,489
control things that we can't control as

2031
01:38:39,930 --> 01:38:37,929
individuals the things that can be

2032
01:38:43,439 --> 01:38:39,940
controlled better as groups churches are

2033
01:38:46,319 --> 01:38:43,449
the same way they help control belief

2034
01:38:48,149 --> 01:38:46,329
systems and mold culture and society and

2035
01:38:52,500 --> 01:38:48,159
both those things are prone to human

2036
01:38:56,580 --> 01:38:52,510
greed and lust and everything else to

2037
01:38:58,469 --> 01:38:56,590
taint them but we have we all these days

2038
01:39:01,830 --> 01:38:58,479
we are in a day and age where we look to

2039
01:39:04,080 --> 01:39:01,840
someone else for every single answer we

2040
01:39:04,709 --> 01:39:04,090
are afraid to look within to find the

2041
01:39:07,219 --> 01:39:04,719
answers and

2042
01:39:09,660 --> 01:39:07,229
you find this is where it gets

2043
01:39:12,899 --> 01:39:09,670
metaphysical people who are real poor

2044
01:39:15,060 --> 01:39:12,909
deeply religious feel a connection to

2045
01:39:17,100 --> 01:39:15,070
their God they pray and they feel that

2046
01:39:19,859 --> 01:39:17,110
connection but even people that are

2047
01:39:24,089 --> 01:39:19,869
deeply agnostic and even some people

2048
01:39:26,100 --> 01:39:24,099
that are atheist can get into meditation

2049
01:39:29,009 --> 01:39:26,110
and you know things that are what's

2050
01:39:32,819 --> 01:39:29,019
called meta which is having love and

2051
01:39:35,580 --> 01:39:32,829
loving kindness which ends up touching

2052
01:39:38,310 --> 01:39:35,590
on the same nerve that religious folks

2053
01:39:40,589 --> 01:39:38,320
use in prayer for their deity and that

2054
01:39:44,040 --> 01:39:40,599
connection that comes through regardless

2055
01:39:45,359 --> 01:39:44,050
of what you call it remains religious

2056
01:39:46,649 --> 01:39:45,369
people will tell will say that if you

2057
01:39:49,649 --> 01:39:46,659
call that the self you're being

2058
01:39:51,629 --> 01:39:49,659
blasphemous but each of us has no proof

2059
01:39:55,469 --> 01:39:51,639
that anything exists of the self so you

2060
01:39:57,810 --> 01:39:55,479
have to start somewhere and though and

2061
01:40:00,060 --> 01:39:57,820
every eye at the risk of saying everyone

2062
01:40:03,540 --> 01:40:00,070
but most folks we're not willing to

2063
01:40:06,239 --> 01:40:03,550
start there and so they give up their

2064
01:40:09,839 --> 01:40:06,249
self agency and they ask someone else

2065
01:40:12,689 --> 01:40:09,849
please provide me a worldview please

2066
01:40:16,080 --> 01:40:12,699
provide me a control structure to work

2067
01:40:17,790 --> 01:40:16,090
in give me an expectation that I can be

2068
01:40:22,649 --> 01:40:17,800
satisfied with and then I'll shut up and

2069
01:40:24,810 --> 01:40:22,659
I'll do my work so and that's not that's

2070
01:40:29,310 --> 01:40:24,820
not confined to one belief system that's

2071
01:40:31,879 --> 01:40:29,320
humanity yeah yeah and I think you know

2072
01:40:37,379 --> 01:40:31,889
that we kind of need that to an extent

2073
01:40:40,850 --> 01:40:37,389
agreed fine where you need your own

2074
01:40:44,399 --> 01:40:40,860
autonomy within all of that structure

2075
01:40:46,500 --> 01:40:44,409
you know and when you've had things like

2076
01:40:50,399 --> 01:40:46,510
this happen to you and it completely

2077
01:40:53,640 --> 01:40:50,409
changes how you view that structure then

2078
01:40:55,620 --> 01:40:53,650
you're even more lost because you've

2079
01:41:01,589 --> 01:40:55,630
nobody to turn to and say can I have a

2080
01:41:03,479 --> 01:41:01,599
new a new structure please because you

2081
01:41:05,370 --> 01:41:03,489
need to factor this into it now so we've

2082
01:41:07,229 --> 01:41:05,380
got to kind of find our own way of being

2083
01:41:11,919 --> 01:41:07,239
and this is something that I try to pass

2084
01:41:14,259 --> 01:41:11,929
on to people you know I have a

2085
01:41:16,929 --> 01:41:14,269
a large group of people who are dealing

2086
01:41:21,640 --> 01:41:16,939
with fear and I would say this is how I

2087
01:41:23,140 --> 01:41:21,650
overcame my own and a lot of it is just

2088
01:41:25,140 --> 01:41:23,150
by looking back and thinking well I felt

2089
01:41:28,449 --> 01:41:25,150
that way but nothing happened

2090
01:41:33,040 --> 01:41:28,459
it was just false evidence appearing

2091
01:41:34,689 --> 01:41:33,050
real that's your fear yes and why why do

2092
01:41:36,549 --> 01:41:34,699
we let these things control us when you

2093
01:41:37,750 --> 01:41:36,559
have something as simple as I imagine

2094
01:41:39,310 --> 01:41:37,760
that that one of the things that you

2095
01:41:41,890 --> 01:41:39,320
learned was that the moment before you

2096
01:41:46,000 --> 01:41:41,900
read that post by a troll you were fine

2097
01:41:48,069 --> 01:41:46,010
yeah in the moment after your heart

2098
01:41:49,509 --> 01:41:48,079
beats up your skin's clammy you know

2099
01:41:52,870 --> 01:41:49,519
you're breathing hard you're making the

2100
01:41:55,959 --> 01:41:52,880
pacing yeah and and how did that happen

2101
01:41:57,910 --> 01:41:55,969
how did you let that happen to your body

2102
01:42:00,399 --> 01:41:57,920
you know it's it's an excellent question

2103
01:42:03,279 --> 01:42:00,409
to ask yourself it's him no one has ever

2104
01:42:05,169 --> 01:42:03,289
done outside of the physical realm and

2105
01:42:06,189 --> 01:42:05,179
and don't get me wrong people can't

2106
01:42:08,649 --> 01:42:06,199
control other people

2107
01:42:10,330 --> 01:42:08,659
yes we all have to give our consent to

2108
01:42:13,149 --> 01:42:10,340
be controlled but if you don't know that

2109
01:42:15,759 --> 01:42:13,159
that's that you have the power to give

2110
01:42:19,989 --> 01:42:15,769
or not give that consent okay then it's

2111
01:42:21,669 --> 01:42:19,999
easily given yeah and and it's this is

2112
01:42:24,580 --> 01:42:21,679
all part of what we're talking about

2113
01:42:26,949 --> 01:42:24,590
because this has been it has been a

2114
01:42:28,479 --> 01:42:26,959
guided conversation in many ways it's

2115
01:42:31,899 --> 01:42:28,489
still it's a guided conversation because

2116
01:42:33,819 --> 01:42:31,909
oh man it's this it's the semantics

2117
01:42:36,069 --> 01:42:33,829
piece where it breaks down because a

2118
01:42:43,660 --> 01:42:36,079
conspiracy has three folks deciding to

2119
01:42:46,929 --> 01:42:43,670
which restaurant to go to you know but I

2120
01:42:50,049 --> 01:42:46,939
think that you know taking you power

2121
01:42:54,850 --> 01:42:50,059
back and taking it and being in control

2122
01:42:58,179 --> 01:42:54,860
of it is it's quite easy it says it's a

2123
01:43:01,810 --> 01:42:58,189
it's a decision and the decision that

2124
01:43:05,169 --> 01:43:01,820
you know after I collapsed my blood

2125
01:43:07,660 --> 01:43:05,179
pressure when ridiculous I was told I

2126
01:43:09,459 --> 01:43:07,670
was a walking stroke victim you know and

2127
01:43:13,149 --> 01:43:09,469
and this was me being triggered

2128
01:43:15,069 --> 01:43:13,159
I mean betrayed by a friend of nine

2129
01:43:16,629 --> 01:43:15,079
years and then all these people had kind

2130
01:43:19,419 --> 01:43:16,639
of joined in on this hate campaign that

2131
01:43:21,899 --> 01:43:19,429
he'd encourage towards me and then I

2132
01:43:27,060 --> 01:43:21,909
don't even know these people

2133
01:43:31,589 --> 01:43:27,070
to myself why am i reacting to the

2134
01:43:34,259 --> 01:43:31,599
twisted words of a stranger why does

2135
01:43:35,759 --> 01:43:34,269
that even matter why do they is the you

2136
01:43:37,529 --> 01:43:35,769
know the that person can't think

2137
01:43:39,600 --> 01:43:37,539
properly they're not running on facts

2138
01:43:41,489 --> 01:43:39,610
they're not gossip they're actually

2139
01:43:43,529 --> 01:43:41,499
probably think that they're doing the

2140
01:43:46,709 --> 01:43:43,539
right thing by standing by this person

2141
01:43:48,390 --> 01:43:46,719
after all I did the same thing so I was

2142
01:43:50,370 --> 01:43:48,400
like you know what I don't actually care

2143
01:43:52,589 --> 01:43:50,380
what they think of me I don't care and

2144
01:43:54,719 --> 01:43:52,599
you have to not care if you're going to

2145
01:43:58,409 --> 01:43:54,729
go out in the public with anything you

2146
01:44:01,049 --> 01:43:58,419
cannot care what people think of you and

2147
01:44:03,600 --> 01:44:01,059
that in there in lies the freedom and

2148
01:44:09,270 --> 01:44:03,610
that is as simple as a decision of

2149
01:44:11,609 --> 01:44:09,280
saying I am NOT going to care what those

2150
01:44:12,779 --> 01:44:11,619
types of people are saying about me it

2151
01:44:14,250 --> 01:44:12,789
makes no difference because I know the

2152
01:44:16,560 --> 01:44:14,260
truth and the truth is the only thing

2153
01:44:18,600 --> 01:44:16,570
that matters your truth is the only

2154
01:44:21,000 --> 01:44:18,610
thing that matters and it can carry you

2155
01:44:22,350 --> 01:44:21,010
through how it's very powerful what you

2156
01:44:24,270 --> 01:44:22,360
just said right there and especially

2157
01:44:26,219 --> 01:44:24,280
when there's people in positions like

2158
01:44:28,649 --> 01:44:26,229
we're and you've been there for quite a

2159
01:44:32,069 --> 01:44:28,659
while I think and I'm just seeing the

2160
01:44:34,790 --> 01:44:32,079
edges of it but by virtue of having a

2161
01:44:37,319 --> 01:44:34,800
voice that reaches a group of people and

2162
01:44:39,419 --> 01:44:37,329
having conviction of your own beliefs

2163
01:44:43,020 --> 01:44:39,429
people believe that you have the answers

2164
01:44:47,129 --> 01:44:43,030
they're seeking as well and in some

2165
01:44:49,890 --> 01:44:47,139
cases that might be true that you may

2166
01:44:52,739 --> 01:44:49,900
have the exact situation or comparable

2167
01:44:54,359 --> 01:44:52,749
enough of what we would call exact that

2168
01:44:55,949 --> 01:44:54,369
it would it would blend perfectly and it

2169
01:44:58,439 --> 01:44:55,959
might it might give them it might be

2170
01:45:01,290 --> 01:44:58,449
that one Zen Cohen that really teaches

2171
01:45:03,600 --> 01:45:01,300
them what they needed in that moment but

2172
01:45:06,179 --> 01:45:03,610
how many of us are how many of us can

2173
01:45:08,549 --> 01:45:06,189
hear what we need to hear at the time we

2174
01:45:09,989 --> 01:45:08,559
often can't hear it until we till we're

2175
01:45:16,729 --> 01:45:09,999
the ones until it comes out of our

2176
01:45:19,229 --> 01:45:16,739
mouths ourselves and I just I want to I

2177
01:45:22,140 --> 01:45:19,239
want to find the way to open this

2178
01:45:25,770 --> 01:45:22,150
conversation up but I want people to ask

2179
01:45:29,310 --> 01:45:25,780
themselves first you have to you don't

2180
01:45:32,370 --> 01:45:29,320
say Sean what is this Sasha what did I

2181
01:45:35,490 --> 01:45:32,380
see you know Lewis what's happening to

2182
01:45:39,600 --> 01:45:35,500
me you first have to say to yourself

2183
01:45:42,390 --> 01:45:39,610
what do I want this to be you have to

2184
01:45:43,860 --> 01:45:42,400
really ask yourself first not not what

2185
01:45:46,320 --> 01:45:43,870
do you think it is what could it be what

2186
01:45:47,730 --> 01:45:46,330
do I want this to be because you're

2187
01:45:54,600 --> 01:45:47,740
gonna have to set your own boundaries

2188
01:45:57,920 --> 01:45:54,610
we're not all ready to accept this ID no

2189
01:46:01,170 --> 01:45:57,930
no I don't even know if I am right I

2190
01:46:02,370 --> 01:46:01,180
won't know until somebody puts it in

2191
01:46:06,330 --> 01:46:02,380
front of me and they'll know when

2192
01:46:12,330 --> 01:46:06,340
they're ready or not but I think I think

2193
01:46:13,860 --> 01:46:12,340
that in the end that a lot of folks that

2194
01:46:16,770 --> 01:46:13,870
are there they're desperate they're

2195
01:46:19,050 --> 01:46:16,780
desperate for answers and I had a friend

2196
01:46:21,690 --> 01:46:19,060
of mine say they Sean you have a

2197
01:46:25,340 --> 01:46:21,700
confidence in your speech and you know

2198
01:46:28,890 --> 01:46:25,350
who you are they want to feel that way

2199
01:46:31,650 --> 01:46:28,900
and so I say you know don't stop looking

2200
01:46:33,510 --> 01:46:31,660
up at the sky maybe take a little break

2201
01:46:35,730 --> 01:46:33,520
from YouTube here and there for some

2202
01:46:37,980 --> 01:46:35,740
folks or Twitter or or some of the

2203
01:46:40,770 --> 01:46:37,990
places people get really wrapped up in

2204
01:46:42,480 --> 01:46:40,780
it and sit out on your butt and go what

2205
01:46:44,250 --> 01:46:42,490
you know I don't even say I meditate

2206
01:46:47,070 --> 01:46:44,260
that's not that's too strong of a word

2207
01:46:48,960 --> 01:46:47,080
for a lot of people but reflect on the

2208
01:46:51,450 --> 01:46:48,970
things you've experienced and seen and

2209
01:46:54,750 --> 01:46:51,460
what do you want it to be because you

2210
01:46:57,600 --> 01:46:54,760
have a choice in this - your perception

2211
01:47:00,300 --> 01:46:57,610
is the first thing that determines what

2212
01:47:02,730 --> 01:47:00,310
your world is gonna be and if you decide

2213
01:47:06,330 --> 01:47:02,740
that this thing is is this horrible

2214
01:47:08,070 --> 01:47:06,340
thing it's gonna be yeah well you

2215
01:47:10,410 --> 01:47:08,080
remember the feeling as well of the

2216
01:47:14,370 --> 01:47:10,420
worst thing you know we're very good at

2217
01:47:15,900 --> 01:47:14,380
that and we will not think oh well this

2218
01:47:17,100 --> 01:47:15,910
is the worst end of the scale that's the

2219
01:47:18,690 --> 01:47:17,110
best end of the scale the best ten

2220
01:47:20,190 --> 01:47:18,700
debates a mile away millions of miles

2221
01:47:22,050 --> 01:47:20,200
away but we will always hold on to the

2222
01:47:25,170 --> 01:47:22,060
worst thing it's humans that's what we

2223
01:47:28,350 --> 01:47:25,180
do and I think a lot of the time people

2224
01:47:32,280 --> 01:47:28,360
are desperate to just talk about what

2225
01:47:36,660 --> 01:47:32,290
the beam through scene and what is made

2226
01:47:38,670 --> 01:47:36,670
them think without being ridiculed but

2227
01:47:40,740 --> 01:47:38,680
they want to be listened to and it needs

2228
01:47:43,500 --> 01:47:40,750
to be a safe place these three things

2229
01:47:45,480 --> 01:47:43,510
are missing the safety is not there you

2230
01:47:48,959 --> 01:47:45,490
know they're listening people are not

2231
01:47:52,110 --> 01:47:48,969
listening they're waiting to have that

2232
01:47:54,540 --> 01:47:52,120
so absolutely you know I said to people

2233
01:47:55,560 --> 01:47:54,550
help okay I'm just gonna listen to you

2234
01:47:59,040 --> 01:47:55,570
now and it's not going to be a

2235
01:48:01,200 --> 01:47:59,050
conversation I'm not gonna say oh I saw

2236
01:48:03,750 --> 01:48:01,210
a blah blah blah and interrupt

2237
01:48:05,820 --> 01:48:03,760
and then I've got exchange you know and

2238
01:48:10,200 --> 01:48:05,830
I just wonder how many people there are

2239
01:48:11,580 --> 01:48:10,210
because we as just myself and my friends

2240
01:48:13,560 --> 01:48:11,590
where nobody special

2241
01:48:15,150 --> 01:48:13,570
we don't have anything that we've got to

2242
01:48:17,700 --> 01:48:15,160
kind of worry about so I wonder about

2243
01:48:20,640 --> 01:48:17,710
you know they've got to be so many

2244
01:48:22,500 --> 01:48:20,650
military folk and so many famous people

2245
01:48:24,240 --> 01:48:22,510
who've had these things happen to them

2246
01:48:26,490 --> 01:48:24,250
and they can't talk to anyone because

2247
01:48:29,910 --> 01:48:26,500
the can't trust anyone there's you can't

2248
01:48:33,570 --> 01:48:29,920
have this out there you know say there's

2249
01:48:36,330 --> 01:48:33,580
people who just cannot have that freedom

2250
01:48:38,430 --> 01:48:36,340
of their mind because of their life

2251
01:48:43,800 --> 01:48:38,440
circumstances in how selfish and

2252
01:48:45,090 --> 01:48:43,810
dangerous all the rest of us are that's

2253
01:48:47,520 --> 01:48:45,100
why we need to have these conversations

2254
01:48:49,830 --> 01:48:47,530
and say look it's okay to entertain the

2255
01:48:52,459 --> 01:48:49,840
thought without accepting it as a

2256
01:48:56,880 --> 01:48:52,469
reality whether it is or not you know

2257
01:49:00,270 --> 01:48:56,890
well we need to do we need to do more we

2258
01:49:03,080 --> 01:49:00,280
need to define we define how were how

2259
01:49:05,970 --> 01:49:03,090
and what we're talking about each time

2260
01:49:08,580 --> 01:49:05,980
we start conversations in this community

2261
01:49:11,490 --> 01:49:08,590
and people who are entering it now from

2262
01:49:14,370 --> 01:49:11,500
the mainstream everyone has an agenda

2263
01:49:17,160 --> 01:49:14,380
and and that's not an accusation that's

2264
01:49:18,840 --> 01:49:17,170
a fact each of us has truths we want to

2265
01:49:24,570 --> 01:49:18,850
pull out of this there is knowledge and

2266
01:49:26,520 --> 01:49:24,580
is about Ali no no yeah all of us has a

2267
01:49:27,990 --> 01:49:26,530
truth we want to pull out of this even

2268
01:49:30,030 --> 01:49:28,000
if we don't know what it is if you're

2269
01:49:31,170 --> 01:49:30,040
coming to it instead of it just coming

2270
01:49:32,400 --> 01:49:31,180
there's people that are running away

2271
01:49:34,620 --> 01:49:32,410
from it they don't want it in their

2272
01:49:36,060 --> 01:49:34,630
lives they want nothing to do with it

2273
01:49:39,330 --> 01:49:36,070
they're having negative effects even

2274
01:49:41,670 --> 01:49:39,340
though they seemingly do live positive

2275
01:49:43,590 --> 01:49:41,680
loving well-intentioned lives although

2276
01:49:48,540 --> 01:49:43,600
we never know another person's interior

2277
01:49:50,760 --> 01:49:48,550
state or thoughts so it's not easy those

2278
01:49:55,830 --> 01:49:50,770
answers that the desperate people are

2279
01:49:56,670 --> 01:49:55,840
seeking in the material world what is it

2280
01:50:00,209 --> 01:49:56,680
what do I do

2281
01:50:03,000 --> 01:50:00,219
how do I do this how do I do that it's

2282
01:50:06,299 --> 01:50:03,010
unfortunate because it's the only advice

2283
01:50:07,709 --> 01:50:06,309
that I can give is try to open your

2284
01:50:10,169 --> 01:50:07,719
heart and be loved and try to be

2285
01:50:11,790 --> 01:50:10,179
positive and try not to live in fear but

2286
01:50:15,329 --> 01:50:11,800
I'm not experiencing what they're

2287
01:50:17,459 --> 01:50:15,339
experiencing and for me to say that that

2288
01:50:20,759 --> 01:50:17,469
they are experiencing something that is

2289
01:50:23,069 --> 01:50:20,769
just them perceiving something benign as

2290
01:50:25,679 --> 01:50:23,079
negative that's not fair of me some

2291
01:50:34,199 --> 01:50:25,689
people are reporting physical ailments

2292
01:50:36,659 --> 01:50:34,209
and and trauma but as you say this all

2293
01:50:39,329 --> 01:50:36,669
of us is waiting for our chance to spout

2294
01:50:41,909 --> 01:50:39,339
what we saw well that the first thing

2295
01:50:43,799 --> 01:50:41,919
that should tell us is not that

2296
01:50:46,109 --> 01:50:43,809
everyone's just a shallow jerk

2297
01:50:50,639 --> 01:50:46,119
it should tell us everyone needs a

2298
01:50:52,379 --> 01:50:50,649
chance to speak yeah and how are we

2299
01:50:54,869 --> 01:50:52,389
gonna do that because with the other

2300
01:50:57,869 --> 01:50:54,879
side of that coin is do you want to

2301
01:50:59,849 --> 01:50:57,879
listen to everybody I don't either

2302
01:51:01,529 --> 01:50:59,859
and I'm bombarded right now and I'm sure

2303
01:51:04,049 --> 01:51:01,539
as a public figure that you can be at

2304
01:51:05,879 --> 01:51:04,059
times and it's not that I don't want to

2305
01:51:07,649 --> 01:51:05,889
it's that I want it you know it's like

2306
01:51:09,119 --> 01:51:07,659
that it's the person over the audience

2307
01:51:11,810 --> 01:51:09,129
going hey everybody calm down

2308
01:51:16,169 --> 01:51:11,820
we're all in here together you know and

2309
01:51:22,979 --> 01:51:16,179
so ask yourself the hard questions first

2310
01:51:25,290 --> 01:51:22,989
first I want to ask you how long has

2311
01:51:27,810 --> 01:51:25,300
this been if you if I may turn it around

2312
01:51:31,759 --> 01:51:27,820
turn one around on you how long have you

2313
01:51:36,719 --> 01:51:31,769
been doing this in the public eye well

2314
01:51:41,520 --> 01:51:36,729
erupted onto the scene in about 2005 my

2315
01:51:44,219 --> 01:51:41,530
heavy duty event was in 1997 and I was

2316
01:51:48,989 --> 01:51:44,229
like I said the chef just a single mom

2317
01:51:52,199 --> 01:51:48,999
you know just doing what I do paying the

2318
01:51:55,409 --> 01:51:52,209
bills going to work going to the gym etc

2319
01:51:57,540 --> 01:51:55,419
school plays all that kind of stuff that

2320
01:52:01,489 --> 01:51:57,550
was my life that's a life I can relate

2321
01:52:05,929 --> 01:52:01,499
to I'm living the same way you know then

2322
01:52:09,649 --> 01:52:05,939
1997 you see these UFOs and everything

2323
01:52:12,090 --> 01:52:09,659
changed nothing changed because

2324
01:52:16,110 --> 01:52:12,100
everything in my life was still the same

2325
01:52:21,840 --> 01:52:16,120
but I changed and it took quite a while

2326
01:52:25,010 --> 01:52:21,850
for that change to to come about because

2327
01:52:28,320 --> 01:52:25,020
it was like a slow disintegration

2328
01:52:30,330 --> 01:52:28,330
questioning of my reality and you know

2329
01:52:34,649 --> 01:52:30,340
it brings a million questions because

2330
01:52:37,110 --> 01:52:34,659
it's your perception that rules the

2331
01:52:41,780 --> 01:52:37,120
moment and that can rule the rest of

2332
01:52:45,810 --> 01:52:41,790
your life so my perception was my god

2333
01:52:52,020 --> 01:52:45,820
this is aliens when we this isn't

2334
01:52:55,380 --> 01:52:52,030
supposed to exist so you know it's just

2335
01:52:57,750 --> 01:52:55,390
too much for your brain so I kind of

2336
01:52:59,550 --> 01:52:57,760
kept it to myself I tried to tell a few

2337
01:53:01,620 --> 01:52:59,560
people but it's just like oh you don't

2338
01:53:04,500 --> 01:53:01,630
believe in that do ya and you quickly

2339
01:53:06,540 --> 01:53:04,510
shut up and the people that were with we

2340
01:53:10,979 --> 01:53:06,550
fell apart we didn't see each other we

2341
01:53:15,030 --> 01:53:10,989
fell out and so I was on my own and then

2342
01:53:16,770 --> 01:53:15,040
come 2002 I ruptured my knee and they

2343
01:53:19,470 --> 01:53:16,780
couldn't you know I went back to work

2344
01:53:20,729 --> 01:53:19,480
for a few years but I just kept damaging

2345
01:53:22,110 --> 01:53:20,739
it and then they ended up having a

2346
01:53:25,050 --> 01:53:22,120
reconstruction and a really major

2347
01:53:28,080 --> 01:53:25,060
operation bone being removed and all

2348
01:53:31,530 --> 01:53:28,090
kinds of bits and bobs so I've got a

2349
01:53:34,229 --> 01:53:31,540
computer and I just sort of told my

2350
01:53:37,189 --> 01:53:34,239
story on a far room and then told my

2351
01:53:39,090 --> 01:53:37,199
story on another forum met some people

2352
01:53:41,640 --> 01:53:39,100
met some people who run the magazine

2353
01:53:44,189 --> 01:53:41,650
tell them my story they run it and then

2354
01:53:46,709 --> 01:53:44,199
it just it's just gone on from there you

2355
01:53:48,810 --> 01:53:46,719
know but once I started talking about it

2356
01:53:50,520 --> 01:53:48,820
I couldn't stop talking about it and in

2357
01:53:52,860 --> 01:53:50,530
the process of talking about it

2358
01:53:55,140 --> 01:53:52,870
I've believed a lot of things but I

2359
01:53:58,740 --> 01:53:55,150
don't believe anymore and I believe some

2360
01:54:00,750 --> 01:53:58,750
really ridiculous things and you know

2361
01:54:02,430 --> 01:54:00,760
when you first come to the same people

2362
01:54:04,140 --> 01:54:02,440
jump on me and you go well you've been

2363
01:54:05,640 --> 01:54:04,150
abducted and you've got implants in your

2364
01:54:08,430 --> 01:54:05,650
nose and you tears in your back in your

2365
01:54:12,450 --> 01:54:08,440
head and you hear behind your ear and

2366
01:54:17,459 --> 01:54:12,460
all you know I mean like oh my god but

2367
01:54:19,760 --> 01:54:17,469
then obviously with time education and

2368
01:54:21,770 --> 01:54:19,770
discernment I go well

2369
01:54:26,960 --> 01:54:21,780
I don't even know that so why could they

2370
01:54:31,370 --> 01:54:26,970
know that I just had a conversation with

2371
01:54:33,890 --> 01:54:31,380
someone a filmmaker who said that the

2372
01:54:36,950 --> 01:54:33,900
unfortunate aspect is in the early

2373
01:54:39,100 --> 01:54:36,960
stages of many when many people gain the

2374
01:54:43,250 --> 01:54:39,110
confidence to tell their story first

2375
01:54:45,200 --> 01:54:43,260
there's so much hubris in the date

2376
01:54:46,400 --> 01:54:45,210
because of their newfound confidence you

2377
01:54:47,750 --> 01:54:46,410
know they're still building that

2378
01:54:49,400 --> 01:54:47,760
confidence they're still telling

2379
01:54:51,620 --> 01:54:49,410
themselves that what I saw was real and

2380
01:54:55,040 --> 01:54:51,630
I should talk about it and so they puff

2381
01:54:58,610 --> 01:54:55,050
up their chest quite a bit and it's that

2382
01:55:01,190 --> 01:54:58,620
perception piece that just just it nags

2383
01:55:03,140 --> 01:55:01,200
at me because I keep coming back to this

2384
01:55:05,210 --> 01:55:03,150
visual metaphor in my mind of this

2385
01:55:11,540 --> 01:55:05,220
object in the center of the gymnasium

2386
01:55:13,220 --> 01:55:11,550
and two opposing teams and we can all be

2387
01:55:14,450 --> 01:55:13,230
released from the gymnasium the student

2388
01:55:15,890 --> 01:55:14,460
can say what's in the middle of the room

2389
01:55:20,570 --> 01:55:15,900
but we can't cooperate low enough to

2390
01:55:23,540 --> 01:55:20,580
share our perspective and so we're still

2391
01:55:26,180 --> 01:55:23,550
here in this gymnasium arguing over

2392
01:55:28,820 --> 01:55:26,190
whether that's a commemorative coffee

2393
01:55:37,850 --> 01:55:28,830
cup from Star Wars of the office you

2394
01:55:41,360 --> 01:55:37,860
know I really I really appreciate the I

2395
01:55:43,850 --> 01:55:41,370
want you to know and the people in the

2396
01:55:45,680 --> 01:55:43,860
extended you have UFO community how much

2397
01:55:48,820 --> 01:55:45,690
I appreciate the way that I was welcomed

2398
01:55:51,020 --> 01:55:48,830
into it the way that organically

2399
01:55:52,460 --> 01:55:51,030
conversations have come about the way

2400
01:55:55,220 --> 01:55:52,470
people have reached out to me and with

2401
01:55:58,520 --> 01:55:55,230
very few exceptions it has been one of

2402
01:56:00,440 --> 01:55:58,530
the most heartfelt honest and authentic

2403
01:56:02,600 --> 01:56:00,450
group of people I've ever met in my life

2404
01:56:05,420 --> 01:56:02,610
and that's a strange thing to say when

2405
01:56:07,070 --> 01:56:05,430
you can meet 10 people who describe the

2406
01:56:11,420 --> 01:56:07,080
same situation from 10 different

2407
01:56:15,170 --> 01:56:11,430
perspectives and it often calls into

2408
01:56:16,760 --> 01:56:15,180
question authenticity because we all

2409
01:56:19,670 --> 01:56:16,770
want to tell fish stories you know

2410
01:56:22,040 --> 01:56:19,680
sometimes but I've also found in this

2411
01:56:25,510 --> 01:56:22,050
community it's very it's very easy to

2412
01:56:27,740 --> 01:56:25,520
tell who's full of it and who's not

2413
01:56:31,040 --> 01:56:27,750
because their authenticity shines

2414
01:56:32,480 --> 01:56:31,050
through and I found you and so many

2415
01:56:33,529 --> 01:56:32,490
other people in this community would be

2416
01:56:38,450 --> 01:56:33,539
so incredibly

2417
01:56:40,189 --> 01:56:38,460
authentic and very courageous I have

2418
01:56:43,370 --> 01:56:40,199
seen a level of humanity that's willing

2419
01:56:45,729 --> 01:56:43,380
to take on suffering for other people to

2420
01:56:51,770 --> 01:56:45,739
find answers that's willing to take on

2421
01:56:54,799 --> 01:56:51,780
trolls negative people hate in some

2422
01:56:58,669 --> 01:56:54,809
cases violence and in some cases

2423
01:57:00,919 --> 01:56:58,679
stalkers to try to get down to drill

2424
01:57:03,020 --> 01:57:00,929
down to what this is for all of us

2425
01:57:04,640 --> 01:57:03,030
because unfortunately not all of us are

2426
01:57:09,709 --> 01:57:04,650
even willing to accept that this is a

2427
01:57:13,189 --> 01:57:09,719
real thing and and it is a real thing

2428
01:57:15,589 --> 01:57:13,199
you know people they build a lot of

2429
01:57:18,919 --> 01:57:15,599
spiritual beliefs out of this but it's a

2430
01:57:20,810 --> 01:57:18,929
physical thing we call it a phenomena

2431
01:57:23,720 --> 01:57:20,820
but it's not a phenomena it's a reality

2432
01:57:27,649 --> 01:57:23,730
it's a part of our reality we just don't

2433
01:57:31,370 --> 01:57:27,659
know how to talk about it it's real it's

2434
01:57:33,620 --> 01:57:31,380
not God you know it's not you know I say

2435
01:57:37,339 --> 01:57:33,630
well it's like me building a religion

2436
01:57:39,319 --> 01:57:37,349
around going to the dentist or taking my

2437
01:57:46,520 --> 01:57:39,329
car to the garage or something

2438
01:57:49,700 --> 01:57:46,530
it's a physical physical thing so our

2439
01:57:54,830 --> 01:57:49,710
consciousness and the way we react to it

2440
01:57:57,229 --> 01:57:54,840
is another part of it and how it kind of

2441
01:57:59,740 --> 01:57:57,239
opens us up because it doesn't have seen

2442
01:58:06,250 --> 01:57:59,750
it just happens just thousands of people

2443
01:58:09,129 --> 01:58:06,260
so it is a part of it but when people

2444
01:58:11,390 --> 01:58:09,139
are attacking other people because it's

2445
01:58:14,140 --> 01:58:11,400
offending their belief system that

2446
01:58:19,669 --> 01:58:14,150
they've engineered to cope with their

2447
01:58:22,189 --> 01:58:19,679
you know mediocre existence and then I'm

2448
01:58:26,689 --> 01:58:22,199
as being attacked because I'm offending

2449
01:58:29,080 --> 01:58:26,699
somebody with my reality you know that

2450
01:58:32,810 --> 01:58:29,090
just needs to be ignored

2451
01:58:35,839 --> 01:58:32,820
basically that you've got to keep your

2452
01:58:40,040 --> 01:58:35,849
truth in mind and it doesn't matter what

2453
01:58:47,359 --> 01:58:40,050
anybody else says because you know the

2454
01:58:58,399 --> 01:58:52,879
if we don't talk right I think it's got

2455
01:58:59,870 --> 01:58:58,409
its you know we want to shy away from I

2456
01:59:01,070 --> 01:58:59,880
think we've talked you and I have talked

2457
01:59:04,910 --> 01:59:01,080
a lot about the metaphysical in this

2458
01:59:15,399 --> 01:59:04,920
conversation but we all investigators

2459
01:59:31,479 --> 01:59:28,280
I like to are we back yeah I came now

2460
01:59:35,060 --> 01:59:31,489
that's it yeah okay

2461
01:59:37,160 --> 01:59:35,070
the famous neurologist and author Sam

2462
01:59:42,520 --> 01:59:37,170
Harris was someone who who was and still

2463
01:59:44,810 --> 01:59:42,530
is a role model to me but I find that

2464
01:59:46,339 --> 01:59:44,820
there's still a piece for him that he

2465
01:59:47,870 --> 01:59:46,349
refuses to acknowledge or at least in a

2466
01:59:50,060 --> 01:59:47,880
way that I'm comfortable with because he

2467
01:59:52,040 --> 01:59:50,070
room team maintains his atheism in the

2468
01:59:55,490 --> 01:59:52,050
midst of a very very very deep and

2469
02:00:01,820 --> 01:59:55,500
profound meditative practice where he's

2470
02:00:03,649 --> 02:00:01,830
able to easily describe places and

2471
02:00:05,209 --> 02:00:03,659
spaces and variations of things that

2472
02:00:06,709 --> 02:00:05,219
I've experienced in consciousness as

2473
02:00:12,250 --> 02:00:06,719
well that he claims them to be

2474
02:00:15,560 --> 02:00:12,260
completely without without any any merit

2475
02:00:17,570 --> 02:00:15,570
beyond the material he's an interesting

2476
02:00:19,990 --> 02:00:17,580
blend of spiritualism and materialism in

2477
02:00:24,729 --> 02:00:20,000
that he will acknowledge the spirit as

2478
02:00:34,280 --> 02:00:28,339
I've got an opposite view I think exists

2479
02:00:44,990 --> 02:00:34,290
outside of myself trying to oh sure this

2480
02:00:46,310 --> 02:00:45,000
meat machine breadcrumbs teenagers

2481
02:00:52,010 --> 02:00:46,320
running ahead spray-painting graffiti

2482
02:00:55,580 --> 02:00:52,020
hoping all notice follow the arrows but

2483
02:00:57,709 --> 02:00:55,590
where do we where do we take your

2484
02:01:01,589 --> 02:00:57,719
perspective my perspective and Sam's

2485
02:01:04,080 --> 02:01:01,599
perspective on you know yeah we have

2486
02:01:06,509 --> 02:01:04,090
such a group of people that have to

2487
02:01:09,299 --> 02:01:06,519
decide this to get there and you and I

2488
02:01:10,679 --> 02:01:09,309
are just two and there are thousands to

2489
02:01:14,159 --> 02:01:10,689
come that listen to your to your radio

2490
02:01:17,129 --> 02:01:14,169
program if each of us takes one little

2491
02:01:19,529 --> 02:01:17,139
bit of courage from someone else and

2492
02:01:22,469 --> 02:01:19,539
asks as everyone on Twitter's they're

2493
02:01:23,759 --> 02:01:22,479
saying ask the question and it's one of

2494
02:01:25,770 --> 02:01:23,769
the things that's trending they want

2495
02:01:28,770 --> 02:01:25,780
folks to ask the question of folks that

2496
02:01:30,419 --> 02:01:28,780
are in in power people that are in

2497
02:01:32,279 --> 02:01:30,429
government and I think that's very

2498
02:01:33,810 --> 02:01:32,289
important we all need to ask what is

2499
02:01:36,959 --> 02:01:33,820
this and what are you doing to find out

2500
02:01:38,879 --> 02:01:36,969
what it is for the rest of us but then

2501
02:01:40,349 --> 02:01:38,889
we need to turn within we need to turn

2502
02:01:42,750 --> 02:01:40,359
within our communities that are dinner

2503
02:01:45,029 --> 02:01:42,760
start at the dinner table ask our elders

2504
02:01:46,589 --> 02:01:45,039
have you seen something what is it and

2505
02:01:48,839 --> 02:01:46,599
tell us without scorn what did it look

2506
02:01:51,330 --> 02:01:48,849
like to you there's a great way to say

2507
02:01:56,729 --> 02:01:51,340
it because it looks different to each of

2508
02:01:59,609 --> 02:01:56,739
us yeah we really we really do need to

2509
02:02:03,089 --> 02:01:59,619
have these conversations and and ask

2510
02:02:06,239 --> 02:02:03,099
these questions little philosophy in

2511
02:02:09,000 --> 02:02:06,249
this world we don't have philosophers

2512
02:02:11,189 --> 02:02:09,010
anymore because we set we took science

2513
02:02:13,379 --> 02:02:11,199
and philosophy and we shoved religion in

2514
02:02:16,889 --> 02:02:13,389
between them and said that the twain

2515
02:02:19,379 --> 02:02:16,899
shall never meet again and we need to

2516
02:02:23,369 --> 02:02:19,389
pull religion out of the middle and find

2517
02:02:25,830 --> 02:02:23,379
out what it gets dangerous territory

2518
02:02:27,330 --> 02:02:25,840
with the word willing because when you

2519
02:02:29,429 --> 02:02:27,340
say when you say that we need a shared

2520
02:02:31,349 --> 02:02:29,439
religion that's a metaphor I don't want

2521
02:02:36,959 --> 02:02:31,359
any new religions I just want us to all

2522
02:02:40,799 --> 02:02:36,969
know what's real yeah so we could talk

2523
02:02:43,889 --> 02:02:40,809
for days or days yes yes we could we may

2524
02:02:45,419 --> 02:02:43,899
have to do this again actually we let

2525
02:02:47,909 --> 02:02:45,429
the time gone over by a couple of

2526
02:02:50,099 --> 02:02:47,919
minutes but that doesn't matter

2527
02:02:53,099 --> 02:02:50,109
it's been absolutely fantastic talking

2528
02:02:54,649 --> 02:02:53,109
to you I would definitely like to have

2529
02:02:58,209 --> 02:02:54,659
you on again

2530
02:03:02,839 --> 02:02:58,219
you know thank you for your disclosure

2531
02:03:05,359 --> 02:03:02,849
your it's my distinct pleasure and honor

2532
02:03:08,000 --> 02:03:05,369
to be involved with this group of people

2533
02:03:10,669 --> 02:03:08,010
and as long as my truth helps bring the

2534
02:03:12,679 --> 02:03:10,679
conversation helps move it forward and

2535
02:03:14,779 --> 02:03:12,689
helps open hearts and minds for other

2536
02:03:20,859 --> 02:03:14,789
people I intend to keep contributing so

2537
02:03:26,509 --> 02:03:24,620
credibility you know and you're a really

2538
02:03:34,339 --> 02:03:26,519
nice guy as well and it's so nice to

2539
02:03:37,310 --> 02:03:34,349
have a witness who's you know it's

2540
02:03:42,459 --> 02:03:37,320
usually the research because this is

2541
02:03:44,810 --> 02:03:42,469
something that humbles us you know very

2542
02:03:54,969 --> 02:03:44,820
witnesses that are not humble shall we

2543
02:04:00,109 --> 02:03:58,160
yeah there was a time when I first got

2544
02:04:01,850 --> 02:04:00,119
into this when I first started talking

2545
02:04:03,319 --> 02:04:01,860
about it and learning about things where

2546
02:04:04,819 --> 02:04:03,329
I thought I had it cracked I thought it

2547
02:04:11,709 --> 02:04:04,829
sussed it and I thought I knew what was

2548
02:04:18,259 --> 02:04:15,589
there's so much you know we don't know

2549
02:04:21,259 --> 02:04:18,269
we can't know but there are things that

2550
02:04:24,649 --> 02:04:21,269
we can know and when we stop being

2551
02:04:26,479 --> 02:04:24,659
afraid to talk about this that is when

2552
02:04:28,790 --> 02:04:26,489
we find these connections and bits of

2553
02:04:31,250 --> 02:04:28,800
information that are actually useful and

2554
02:04:33,649 --> 02:04:31,260
might even amount to something one day

2555
02:04:37,580 --> 02:04:33,659
if we keep having those conversations so

2556
02:04:39,350 --> 02:04:37,590
for anybody out there you know just find

2557
02:04:41,839 --> 02:04:39,360
somebody you can talk to you don't need

2558
02:04:44,179 --> 02:04:41,849
to talk to everybody and if you have

2559
02:04:46,640 --> 02:04:44,189
someone who you can talk to and it can

2560
02:04:49,399 --> 02:04:46,650
hear you and not ridicule you and it'd

2561
02:04:51,830 --> 02:04:49,409
be safe then that will carry you a long

2562
02:04:54,319 --> 02:04:51,840
way until you learn how to talk about it

2563
02:04:56,209 --> 02:04:54,329
and know what you want to say if you

2564
02:04:59,509 --> 02:04:56,219
ever want to go forward into the public

2565
02:05:01,330 --> 02:04:59,519
because trust me the Internet has no

2566
02:05:05,510 --> 02:05:01,340
comfort

2567
02:05:07,640 --> 02:05:05,520
especially when you're in crisis i I

2568
02:05:09,709 --> 02:05:07,650
can't echo what you've said enough we

2569
02:05:12,500 --> 02:05:09,719
and we have to remember to reach a hand

2570
02:05:14,390 --> 02:05:12,510
out to the folks yeah that are scared we

2571
02:05:16,939 --> 02:05:14,400
have to keep reaching out even if folks

2572
02:05:19,070 --> 02:05:16,949
they keep getting it wrong yeah and we

2573
02:05:21,229 --> 02:05:19,080
have to remember that everybody is still

2574
02:05:23,660 --> 02:05:21,239
trying to figure out what it is that

2575
02:05:27,229 --> 02:05:23,670
they've seen and how it's made them feel

2576
02:05:30,200 --> 02:05:27,239
so we have to be patient with the

2577
02:05:33,169 --> 02:05:30,210
language because a lot of people argue

2578
02:05:34,880 --> 02:05:33,179
of the way things are said I don't like

2579
02:05:37,520 --> 02:05:34,890
that same analogy therefore I'm not

2580
02:05:39,470 --> 02:05:37,530
going to listen to you we can all hop a

2581
02:05:42,590 --> 02:05:39,480
mindset and we all know what people are

2582
02:05:45,050 --> 02:05:42,600
trying to say so I think you know we

2583
02:05:48,770 --> 02:05:45,060
could go a long way by just changing

2584
02:05:51,439 --> 02:05:48,780
that attitude and we're going to have to

2585
02:05:55,540 --> 02:05:51,449
end this head here it's been absolutely

2586
02:05:58,370 --> 02:05:55,550
fantastic and I thought come on again so